NFL Draft: Grading the Giants’ First Four Picks

John Fennelly , Lead Writer

The Giants are a better team today than they were Thursday afternoon. In a draft that featured few marquee names, the Giants took what was in front of them in the first three rounds and then decided to roll the dice a bit. This draft will naturally define their future one way or another.

Round 1, Pick 19: Justin Pugh, OL Syracuse - A safe, solid pick. Pugh can play all five positions on the line and is a natural leader. The Giants are not concerned that Pugh has shorter arms than most teams prefer in an OT. He can flat-out block no matter where he plays. Defenders aren’t going stop to measure his arms when they line up against him. Pugh is an intelligent, high-character kid that fits the Giants’ offensive line template.  He was not the best OL in this draft, but he may be the right one for the Giants. He will be a stalwart like the men before him who helped the Giants win championships: O’Hara, Snee, Seubert, Diehl, but more. A natural leader who will be a huge part of the franchise’s future core. Grade B+


Round 2, Pick 49: Jonathan Hankins, DT Ohio State - A big body with a reputation for a lack of quickness and a questionable motor. The Giants feel otherwise. Hankins was on the field every play and wore down during games because what 320 lb guy wouldn’t? The Giants will fix that issue by increasing his stamina and placing him in the D-line rotation, where he’ll still be fresh in the fourth quarter.  He’s a run-stuffer, plain and simple. They need as many of those as they can get. Grade: B

Round 3, Pick 81: Damontre Moore, DE Texas A&M - This is the pick, folks. The Giants have had some of the game’s most prolific and feared pass rushers in league history and they may have just gotten another one. Why in God’s name Moore was still around in the third round is mystifying. Not our issue. We got this kid, who at 20, finished third in sacks in the mighty SEC last year behind Jarvis Jones (taken in Rd 1 by the Steelers) and Jadeveon Clowney, who may be the top pick in next year’s draft. And he was hurting for most of the year! Moore was, IMO, the best pass rusher in this draft. He has a reputation as a partier and is said to be immature. Imagine, a 20 year-old college kid that likes to party! OMG! His whole world is about to change, however. He will get to TPC and get the Coughlin “come-to-Jesus” speech. Then the strength and conditioning guys will go work on him. Tuck, Rolle and Kiwanuka will also be keeping an eye on Moore. This may be the best pick of Jerry Reese’s career.  Grade: A (even though he fell to them)

Round 4, Pick 110: Ryan Nassib, QB Syyracuse - Still mixed on this one, but warming up to it. The Giants have been wanting to get a young QB to sit and learn behind Eli Manning. They saw Nassib still on the board in Round Four and moved up to get him. End of story. This is long-term project. The team may feel they are pressing their luck with Eli’s durability. Reese  sees a lot of Andy Dalton in Nassib, which is a good thing, but Nassib may end up not playing a meaningful down here in New York over the next few years. It’s an old-fashioned, pre-emptive move that really can’t be evaluated until the time for him to play – or leave – comes to pass. Grade: C

 

 




191 comments
rob
rob

Nashville to me is a logical trade partner. you have Roman Josi SHEA  WEBER, the Preds needs forwards. Bailey, Donovan or Hickey +#1 for Weber Nystrom and a pick


would love to see Ryan Callahan a New York Islander!

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

Again 7 of 10 yrs Islanders management under Wang - Mad-Mike and now Garth Snow drafted....


1. Rick D - Injury prone, paying off a 15 yrs contract that Wang had a big role, better picks 2-4.

2. Kyle Okposo - Not drafted by mad-mike or snow, but Neil Smith- 45 to 60 days on the job

3. John Taveres - Gimme ranked #1 by everyone

4. Josh Bailey - Traded up to get him at #7-#12, hasn't done a thing, there was a reason other GM did not rank him as high as the Islanders.


5. Nino N  - How did that work out???? They never gave the kid a chance to play on the top 2 lines instead line 4.


6. Ryan Strome -  Has talent, but still Raw. Teared up JR's and one of 5 players in the AHL in points, but can that translate into the NHL. 


7. Griffin Reinhardt - Another gimme at the position selected.


8. Brock Nelson - looks like will be a top 6 winger so far....



You look at the first rounders the Islanders have selected all those years only 3 players have stood out. You hold the faith in this management to select the right guy in this years draft. I understand Drafting players is a crap shoot, but then tell me why teams like: COL. Aves, Fl. Panthers, EDM. Oilers - great offense, but lack defenseman and goaltending., CHI. Blackhawks, and other teams have selected better quility players - Take Johnny T., Kyle, and Griffin out of the conversation.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

An omen,,, or just some added pain???  Here's the Barclay's CEOs take on the pending sale of the Islanders...

"We're in the hockey business now," said Brett Yormark, Barclays Center CEO, "and we're very excited."  Yormark also said that he and Charles Wang have not discussed any possible sale of the team and that a sale would not alter the agreement between the Islanders and Barclays Center. 

"From a hockey standpoint, Charles is gearing up to bring a great product to Brooklyn," Yormark said. "I think Charles is acting as if he's an owner for the next couple years and wants to be the owner as the team transitions to Brooklyn." 

j_spikett
j_spikett

when barph snow goes big it means the other team he trades with is reaping a big reward.

nassau1
nassau1

before we leave nassau for brooklyn,  can i take one of our stanley cup banners and strangle the owner with it?    FOR THE LOVE OF GOD,PLEASE PLEASE GET A NEW OWNER OR ELSE THEIR IS NO HOPE. IM SO UPSET THEY ARE LEAVING  BEAUTIFUL SUBURBAN NASSAU FOR URBAN BROOKYLN THIS IS  DISGRACEFUL  ISLANDERS= NASSAU/SUFFOLK         NOT BROOKLYN  NO WAY 

jmoney93
jmoney93

i would go big and make some noise if i was garth snow..... The 5th-Lee-Donovan and another prospect for  Kane and Buff

jepliberty
jepliberty

After watching the finals this year, and 3 years ago, one would consider I suppose to try to emulate what the Kings have done in order for them to win their 2 cups out of the last 3 years, they have gone out and signed exactly what they needed, they have a lights out goalie, a modicum of speed, and size, yes size, they are a  big team and can handle the physical aspects of a long season, and playoffs, having said that, why wouldn't one of the most failed GMs in the NHL Garth Snow, make an attempt to sign bigger players with talent, no, he has always gone after small players, at this point I pray he has opened his eyes and gotten some size on the defense, still don't like his small forwards, they get knocked off the puck way to damn much. but keeping my fingers, and toes crossed for next season.

dagr33k
dagr33k

You guys crack me up on this site. Everybody acts like we have the next coming of the 84 Oilers with all the guys that are no way tradable on this team.

dkdk
dkdk

"As NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman has stated a few times, most recently at the Stanley Cup Final, Wang has wavered over relinquishing controlling interest in the Islanders. According to one source, a part of him wants to see Islanders’ rebuilding program flourish with general manager Garth Snow at the helm.

A deal awaits Wang’s consent. As of this morning, no one knew when, or if, it will come."

----- this guy is even more deranged and clueless than I gave him credit for.

dkdk
dkdk

I doubt that package even gets weber alone.

Starz31
Starz31

@David Di Gesu Islanders have done better in recent years, I believe. I think Strome, Reinhart, Nelson, and Nino will all turn out to be real players. Obviously it didn't work out with Nino here, but if he excels elsewhere, gotta give credit for Snow for making the pick. 

Reinhart sounds like he could be a special player. Him and Tavares alone could count for a lot. 

Don22
Don22

@David Di Gesu You can't rip Garth/Islanders and then say how well Edmonton is doing.  They have been picking top 3 for years.  Panthers are no great shakes and Colorado just put it all together last year.  Also, let's not forget Chicago was mediocre for a while before getting to the cup.


Before you rip me as a Garth apologist, I'm just saying put it in the right context.  Even his detractors can say that he has at least done a decent job drafting.  It's developing the players after the draft that has been the issue.  I think we are starting to see things come together, but I also don't think this GM/Coach can take them to the next level. 



mrcisback
mrcisback

@David Di Gesu David unless your new to this web site we've talked about all of the points you've mentioned almost to exhaustion. You're not telling us anything new.

sparkey
sparkey

The  Oilers are not a good example. Their objective every year is to get the first pick in the daft. At least the young Isles try at the the end of every year,  not tank right nto the end on purpose like the Oilers do every year.  And what they wouldnt do to give back 1st  overall Yakupov,  2nd year player,  24  points  and a minus 33 in 63  games. Their Ownership should be ashamed of themselves too. Not at all impressed with their drafting either.

David Di Gesu
David Di Gesu

simply trade 5th pick overall, one 2nd rounder, and D-man prospect, including getting rid of Josh Bailey hack even pay a portion of his contract. 

To say the Pitt. Penguins, Winn. Jets, Carolina Hurricans, Chicago Blackhawks. 2 of 4 teams mention have to clear cap space to resign some of their players.....

Don22
Don22

@REDSpointofview I'd like to think it doesn't really mean anything.  Any pending sale of this magnitude isn't going to be openly discussed aside from interested parties and potential terms.  And  I'm sure that if there are any conversations with Yormark, he is going to keep them private.  I think the same is true for Bettman.  Nobody is going to say anything except business as usual until the sale is finalized. 


That's just my take on it.  

Chris Molloy
Chris Molloy

@nassau1  No,you can't. Not sure if the stain will come out. The Sound Tigers will be there shortly and you will get decent hockey for 20 % of the cost, plus the Islanders are only 30 miles further away if you are East of the arena. It's a win win. situation. The owner is a problem but how were the previous owners, that's right, stupid, dumb, convicted., etc.

orange2327
orange2327

any noise coming from snow usually means he had beans for lunch.

dkdk
dkdk

My list is Tavares

orange2327
orange2327

@dkdk can we get v. Stiviano to hook up with the wangster?

Don22
Don22

@mrcisback @David Di Gesu Unless he was here under another name, I only recall starting to see him earlier this month.  At least in a more frequent posting mode.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@David Di Gesu

Arthur Staple made a suggestion this weekend...  He thinks Toronto willing to part with Cody Franson. He added that the #5 and Matt Donovan would get it done.  That solves the power play point if the concussed Visznovsky is unavailable.  That also gives you Franson/Hamonic/deHaan/Reinhart/Hickey as the top five defenders and makes a sixth spot for another rookie palatable.  Or perhaps that lets Mayfield and Czuczman battle it out for that spot and then Strait with Carkner can be the 7/8 on the roster...

Another use for that #5 might be Evander Kane if the Jets are serious about trading him.  Speculation has run the gamut about such a deal since the season ended but, nothing concrete has come out of Winnipeg as of yet.  That #5 and a lot more would be required in such a trade.  There still would appear to be a few UFA options to fill that spot to Tavares' left side and allow Snow to use the pick on a defenseman.  There is nothing to indicate that Vanek might not come back if Snow wants to take a run at him assuming Minnesota declines.  I like Penner for that spot but, Jussi Jokinen or Dany Heatley might be an option.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@David Di Gesu which two teams have to clear cap space exactly? not chicago, and pitt actually has a decent amount of cap space to work with atm. 

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@Don22 @REDSpointofview

It's the last sentence of Yormark's statement that caught my eye.  I understand NOT talking about a pending sale but, in this case Yormark actually said the opposite, that to his eyes Wang looks like he's going to hold on to the team.  This could all be a lot of smoke and mirrors but, I can still find Barroway's quotes from about a week ago and something about all this is starting to smell like three day old fish...

Don22
Don22

@Chris Molloy @nassau1 It's not just Wang.  There are plenty of factors as to why this team is leaving.  The long line of lousy owners coupled with an old building has caused Long Islanders to stop coming out to support the team.  You can't totally blame Wang for the team moving to Brooklyn.   He wanted a new arena but didn't want to pay for it.  The town/county didn't want to kick in for it either.  Nobody wanted to meet at middle ground.  He could have sold the team before moving them, but who knows what happens then.  Maybe a new owner moves them anyway.  


I'm not happy they are moving either.  I feel that before long the team identity is going to change.  They will slowly change things and it won't be the team we grew up loving.  But this at least gives the team a chance to see better days.  Is that guaranteed?  Of course not, but at least there is a chance.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Okay, I see. You're a delusional troll tool. I guess I've just been ignoring you, Smithers. I'll go back to that, now.

dkdk
dkdk

Nice orange! Do his farts stammer too, or do they just rip?

dkdk
dkdk

Exactly, that's what it may take

orange2327
orange2327

@dkdk you'll have to ask the asst gm of the habs dk cause snow was sure cutting them when the clock was getting close to 3pm on trade deadline day.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Yes! Or how about Travis the face eating chimpanzee(?) except they can let him finish the job this time.

I believe the frantic 911 call from Barf Snow's office would sound slightly different:

Barf: He's ripping his face off!!!!

911: He's what?! Warn the chimp he's just gonna be hungry in another hour!

Barf: Now, I am unemployed!

orange2327
orange2327

@jepliberty#staple tweets snow in talks with predators to trade #5 pick strome and mayfield for Hannibal lechter and their no1.

orange2327
orange2327

@dkdk maybe we can get RM to arrange it??

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Scott Weinstein @REDSpointofview @David Di Gesu Thank you Scott you took the words right out of my mouth. Maybe the 5th and Donovan for Franson and the 8th is more like it. Now for Taylor Hall you need way more then the 5th to get him.

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

i agree, franson is not worth that much.  but if you think we're going to just package the 5th overall pick for taylor hall, you're out of your mind.  


thats like florida saying why dont we just trade our #1 overall pick for tavares? 

dkdk
dkdk

And that brings up something else I have been thinking about. There are still a few who call snow "inexperienced" after 8 years on the job, yet an asst cleaned his clock! And I bet anyone who thinks snow is still inexperienced would be laughed at in the real world with that kind of thought.

REDSpointofview
REDSpointofview

@mrcisback

Please don't shoot the messenger...  I prefaced my post with "Arthur Staple says"...  And Arthur Staple said the #5 and Donovan would bring back Franson.  I also predicated my thoughts on that trade with the fact that Visnovsky not being available means we need a power play point man and Franson fits that role....  

orange2327
orange2327

@dkdk 8 years under wang dk overseeing one putrid season after another save the fluke run to the 8th seed which is treated like 1981 around here by some.

wangbegone
wangbegone

Okay there, Rickles......what do you have?....or should I be calling you Tool-kles?

orange2327
orange2327

@chrisredux he's busy revising those all important corsi numbers on bailey.

Steven Cook
Steven Cook

I haven't read the comments on this site for a while now.  I see things haven't changed.  Still the same clowns bitching about Wang and Snow.  Wangs sucks....Snow sucks.....we know. You people bitching about it is not going to change anything.  It is a shame that certain people have ruined this site. 

wangbegone
wangbegone

Dude, you're the clown. How about this franchise try something it hasn't done for 3 decades, now ( to ice a hockey team capable of winning first overall and vying for a title?). If Wangsnowjob were about that, no need to continuously rip them and vent.

But for about a decade now, Wangpuke has been up to his same old tricks of cap floor, dumpster diving.

So we'll continue to rip, as they continue to be crap.

The owner, vis-a-vis his power to change that and choosing not to, has "ruined" this site, if I dare to use your flawed semantics. The threads here are the last vestige of sanity for this fanbase.

dkdk
dkdk

Uh oh, there you guys go bringing up the B word .... Lol

Steven Cook
Steven Cook

If you read my post, it says,"Wang sucks.....Snow suck.....WE KNOW!!!!!!!!!"

I totally agree with you.  But after reading the 1,607,399 comments on this site that say Wang and Snow suck, it has gotten really old now.  Real old.  We all know they suck!!!!  But like I said in my last post, all this bitching doesn't accomplish anything.  It hasn't for the last 6 years.  Enough already!!!

slapshot18_rs
slapshot18_rs

@wangbegone kind of hard to do much when free agency hasnt even begun...



and actually, if you go on any other isles blog, people refuse to come to this blog because of how ridiculous and offbase many of the comments are.  and this didnt come from me, although i agree. 

wangbegone
wangbegone

For what it's worth, I started bitching 7 years ago and remember being in a marginalized minority.

If many more had "bitched", while the team was still entrenched in Nassau, maybe things would be different, now.

An institution cannot ignore their paying customers completely.

dkdk
dkdk

What has closing your eyes and keep buying tickets done to help?

wangbegone
wangbegone

@slapshot18_rs That's right because judging by the past 8, no 20, years of UFA's, this franchise has SUCH a stellar track record of signing UFA's. 


Fact is if not for the 42 days of Neil Smith, this franchise would have NO track record of signing useful UFA's.


Who are you kidding, exactly?

dkdk
dkdk

Furthermore if we "all know they suck" there sure are a lot "not defending wang" posts that defend wang.

But let's move past that. If "we all know they suck" then everything else is bunk. Why speculate on trades if you know snow can't pull it off? Why talk about all the prospects if Cappy can't develop them? Why talk about free agents if we know they will all avoid wang and/or he won't pay for them?

And then I can ask WHY ISNT EVERYONE FUMING that he hasn't sold if "we all know he sucks."