This draft is all about helping Eli

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

In a normal year, the draft would be next Thursday, but due to a scheduling conflict with the venue (Radio City Music Hall) the draft was pushed back until May 8. The Hall had planned an Easter show featuring the Rockettes to run through the end of April.

Eli ManningIronically that show has been scrapped, leaving football fans to go stir crazy unnecessarily for an extra two weeks. In the interim, mock drafts are getting a little crazy themselves. The more time passes, the more wild they’re getting.

Players haven’t gotten more or less talented over the additional time, it’s just the pundits and media have been allotted more time to study the draft pool this year. Every day, sleepers are cropping up and this very deep draft is getting more and more interesting.

The Giants, with the twelfth pick, have had players from just about every position mocked to them n the first and second rounds. The truth is, they have little control over their situation. They are relegated to the choices of the eleven teams selecting in front of them.

Evan Silva of Rotoworld came out with his two-round mock draft today. You’ll be a little surprised who he has the Giants selecting….


Round One: 12. New York Giants — LSU WR Odell Beckham

Silva: “I think GM Jerry Reese will hope a pass rusher like Donald or Barr falls to No. 12, but I’m less sure either will be available. As new OC Ben McAdoo hails from Green Bay, where they frequently run three- and four-receiver sets, Beckham would make sense as something of a fallback option. Current Giants Nos. 2 and 3 wideouts Rueben Randle and Jerrel Jernigan are unproven commodities in prominent roles, while Victor Cruz is coming off knee surgery and a disappointing season. Beckham could start at X or Z receiver, adding homerun-hitting ability on punt returns.”

Fennelly: Taking Beckham is not something I had envisioned the Giants doing in this draft. First of all, his last name evokes the memory of a previous Reese draft bust…He would give them two LSU wideouts and another smallish option (5’11”, 198) at the position where they need some bigger players. He is explosive, however, and can do the things Silva outlines plus help on special teams, but the Giants have already addressed those needs in free agency.

Round Two: 43. New York Giants — Notre Dame TE Troy Niklas

Silva: “Reports indicate the Giants are concerned that Eli Manning is declining. The G-Men could buoy Eli by surrounding him with more talent. The Giants have a glaring tight end need, with injury-riddled Adrien Robinson currently topping the depth chart. Niklas is an impact in-line tight end.”

Fennelly: Niklas is perfect for the Giants. A 6’7″, 270 lb monster who is a big blocker and an up-and-coming receiver. Taking Niklas would ease my mind about the Giants not having size on the field on offense. He’s big enough to the point where even Eli can’t miss him…

Summary: I’ve seen worse mocks, but at least this one addresses some needs. Silva is right about the Giants’ passing game and getting Eli back on track. Beckham is a legit first rounder and will be gone by the time the Giants pick in Round Two. Everyone has been clamoring for a traditional TE and Niklas is as close to a prototype at the position as you can get.




34 comments
Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I have been saying it for well over a month now... If the Giants select a WR in round 1 it should be Kelvin Benjamin. Why this is even a debate is lunacy. Beckham, Jr. is too small to be an outside option, and Cruz & Jernigan are already solid slot options. Benjamin gives the Giants a huge, fast target they haven't had since Burress. Benjamin needs work on his route running, that's it. For those who forget, Coughlin was a very well respected, top WR coach before he went to BC. He has done wonders teaching fringe WR prospects since he has come here. Just imagine what he could do with a guy who has god-given features like Benjamin. At worst Benjamin could become Alshon Jeffrey. At best he could be the second coming if Randy Moss. Why would the Giants pass up on him if they are truly intent on helping Eli this draft?

I agree with the second round pick in Niklas. Niklas is a very good TE prospect. I watch ND Football on Saturdays as religiously as I watch Giants Football on Sundays. Niklas, in my opinion, is a better all-around TE than the 2 who came before him (Kyle Rudolph & Tyler Eifert). The gap between Eric Ebron & Troy Niklas is much smaller than the gap between Benjamin & 2nd round WRs. The only reason why Niklas isn't a top 20 pick is because he had a horrible QB in Tommy Rees throwing him the ball last year. Had Everett Golson been the QB last year instead of Rees, Niklas would've been much more impressive, making him an easy 1st round choice.

If the Giants went Benjamin in round 1, Niklas in round 2, they would have 2 guys who immediately make the offense significantly better. When you add those 2 to the additions on defense & the OL, the Giants will be poised to contend again in 2014.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

I Know John wrote an article a while ago comparing Kelvin Benjamin to Mike Evans.  i read a few things about this debate and I am thinking that if none of the top three tackles meaning Robinson, Lewan, or Mathews are there trade down into the 20's and  pick up another 2nd rounder.  Then select Kelvin Benjamin.  


There has been much debate but there is not much separation between the two.  Kelvin is bigger and more explosive.  Where they differ is age Evan's is only 20 and hands Mike catches everything. However, Kelvin has big play ability.  So you might get a lower rated college player with actually big potential at a higher draft slot.  Drafting Benjamin between 20 and 26.  Might be better value than taking Mike Evan's at 12 even if he is available.  In the NFl you need explosiveness.  You can have great hands but if you cant get separation there are going to be problems.  Evan's may have separation issues similar to Ramses Barden who also had good hands but didn't have the explosiveness to get away from guys that you need.  So in essence if I had to choose I would take the explosive athlete who has some drop issues because you cant teach athletic ability and then coach him up.  Remember Manningham and even Cruz had some drop issues early.  


So Evan's may be the younger more highly rated prospect right now but Benjamin's skill set may translate a lot better to the number one receiver role because of his explosiveness.      


Again I would trade down if the three tackles are not there into picks 20 thru 26.  pick up another second or third rounder and take Kelvin Benjamin.  Benjamin could be another Alshon Jeffery undervalued.     

David Lopez
David Lopez

If this draft is all about helping Eli, then Reese needs to do everything he can to trade up to secure either Matthews or Lewan. Robinson will be a top 5 pick and I'm not sure Reese has the chips to trade in to nab him.

jwill
jwill

The other guy, I'm not so high on, Eric Ebron. Explain to me how a TE that cant block gets ranked as a top 20 player? Isn't that half a TE? I'm just saying...


Graham, Gronk, Vernon Davis, these guys all block and none of them were even first rounders. I mean... the last TE to get drafted high without blocking skills, that I can remember, is Dustin Keller. I think the closest he's been to a sperbowl is one year with the Jets in the conference.


Alls I'm saying is, if you're going take a TE, especially in the first round, let it be a complete TE.

carlton
carlton

Mike evans the one an this is how he drops BROWN MANZEL RAIDERS TAKE MACK FALCONS TAKE MATTHEWS BUCS TAKE WASKINS VIKINGS TAKE CARR BILLS TAKE EBRON OR LEWAN LIONS TAKE GIBRET TITANS TAKE BARR AN THE NEW YORK GIANT TAKE MIKE EVANS

Mark Movel
Mark Movel

If Jake Matthews falls to 12...you have to take him, if Not Taylor Lewan...It all starts with the lines both O and D....

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

If this is the case then the best option is to trade back.  I don't feel you need to draft a DT in the fist 3 Rd's to get an adequate one. Three biggest needs OL, TE, WR and you need to get these 3 positions in RD's 1-3 But I'm looking at Benjamin or Cooks not Beckham, this falls on Reese if he would've signed either Decker or Jones WR could've been scratched off this list. Sure your money is then spent but you would have a WR in tow who is NFL proven and ready. There were also too many TE's out there not to bring 1 in.


If Reese was smart enough to get this done then all you would have worried about was OL and DL. So while Reese did a good job these 2 mistakes makes this draft harder then it had to be. Another Inc for Reese.

philj
philj

I think in the 1st round we should trade back with the Jets.  Acquire an extra 3rd round pick.  OT Take Martin at 18.  TE Take Niklas in round 2.  WR Brandon Coleman with 1st round 3 selection.  DT Justin Ellis with the 2nd round 3 selection.

jwill
jwill

Anyone high on Aaron Donald? Seems a little small for the Giants. It's going to take him a while to get used to the NFL, which, as a DT, it's already a long acclimation process. Doesn't seem like the DT that the Giants need.


And oye...why am I talking about DT in the draft after tll the DTs the Giants drafted and the 85 DTs the Giants have signed in the last off-season.

cole3244
cole3244

i hope the new oc will get into eli's head and set up an o that is less susceptible to turnovers especially interceptions by eli, he needs to realize a sack and throwing the ball away is preferable than trying to complete a pass that has a low percentage of being completed or possibly being intercepted.


decreasing the number of turnovers will help the d and keep from surrendering field position consistently, that alone will lead to more wins and a better outcome in the win column.

jwill
jwill

@Kevin Joseph Patrick I like Benjamin but he aint a top 30 pick. That's something that would have to happen with a trade down. It's also highly debatable whether Benjamin is actually going to be able to make an impact in the NFL. He is one of those guys, like Barden, who really should have been playing TE.

spider43
spider43

@jaymanjay  ..... You assume too much to think that Benjamin would be available between picks 20 - 26. I know the Jets have shown interest in him, and if any other team in the 20's feared losing the chance of drafting Benjamin, they could always trade up into the mid-to-late teens to draft him as well. Trading down is not a guarantee you will get the player you want, even if you find another team to trade down with.


I'm also not sure I buy the argument that Benjamin is "more explosive". If that were true, I think for certain he would be ranked higher than Evans. I wouldn't be against Evans being drafted by the Giants before any Tackle still available at #12, but I do think a pick of Benjamin at #12 would be a reach. LIke you, I would prefer the Giants traded down for an extra pick or two, but I wouldn't want to trade down into the 20's because there's no guarantee they would be able to get Benjamin if they did that. You always have to have a contingency plan, and I'm sure Reese is probably developing those as we speak. Even at #12, there has to be alternate plans because of the possibility that only one or two QB's might be picked in the Top 10 draft picks. In the case of the Giants, the more QB's picked in the Top 10, then better.

mcfly
mcfly

You're not wrong except on one account...Vernon Davis was a top 10 pick (6 I believe?). He was the guy that wowed everyone at the combine as a physical freak.

The NFL is changing. Since the ToGos and Gates, now everyone is looking for pass first TEs

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@carlton Can't this that scenario happening. I can see this happening:

1, Houston-Clowney

2. St. Louis-Robinson

3. Jacksonville-Bortles

4. Cleveland-Watkins

5. Oakland-Mack

6. Atlanta-Matthews

7.Tampa Bay-Evans

8. Minnesota-Manziel

9. Buffalo-Ebron

10. Detroit-Gilbert

11. Tennessee-Barr

Obviously, one of the prospects through picks 9-11 could slip down to the Giants.  If not, this would leave the Giants with a few options such as Donald, Lewan or even Clinton-Dix.

The last name I listed is there because of the obsession Reese has with CB and S.....

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@Mark Movel obviously Reese can go in many different directions in the 1st round, depending who is available.... I think the success for Reese on draft day will not be in rounds 1-3, but rather through rounds 4-6.. very deep draft and lots of talent in the later rounds.

David Lopez
David Lopez

Couldn't agree more if either one is available. Both are regarded as better prospects than Eric Fisher, who went #1 overall last season to KC. The value Matthews or Lewan represent would be too good for Reese to pass on.

Two, I'm not buying the recent minutia surrounding the top QB prospects in this draft falling . If anything, history will repeat itself and there will be an overdraft with a couple of them because in today's NFL, everybody knows you cannot win without one.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@bleedblue4 OL,TE and DT are needs as is DE. However; I respectfully disagree with you that the Giants must address OL,TE,Wr in the 1st 3 rounds.  WR is arguably the deepest position in this years draft. DT is not as deep and with that in mind. The Giants need to consider that when selecting in the 1st 3 rounds.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@philj it's a possibility that Reese trades down in the 1st round. Unfortunately, many teams might want to do the same since this is a deep draft and perhaps Reese will not be able to. Also, many reports show Coleman going in the 4th to 5th rounds

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@jwill I am....been looking at his highlights and despite his lack of size, this kid is a player. Many doubters say he didn't play against legit teams at Pitts. Well, how do you explain his dominance at the Senior bowl against all NFL top prospects.. Warren Sapp was his size and so was John Randle, both are in the HOF.....

jwill
jwill

@cole3244 I think that's a combination of who Manning is and Manning overcompensating for other team deficiencies. The GM's job is to get him the kind of targets that fit that mold: good blockers, recivers with quickness to separate or high catch radius, a TE who can catch and block.

espirence
espirence

@cole3244 Thanks Cole I don't think Eli knew that, maybe you should call him up with that brainstorm of yours

mcfly
mcfly

Well teccchhhnicallly he does, but nobody in their right mind would mortgage 2 entire drafts for a tackle.

jwill
jwill

@mcfly I stand corrected, thanks. Well, Vernon Davis is probably the best blocker of the guys named, and probably the most willing. 


Also, even as the NFL moves towards pass first TEs, I do think the success of that groups shows that you really dont have to choose between the two. Even some of the TEs available later in this draft who are pass first, you still have guys who can block.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@Michael Stewart @carlton  

if there where no TRADEs...

that would be a GOOD Par-Lay.......

... Tennessee DT/NT L. Nix

mcfly
mcfly

I think two Qbs will go top 10, Bortles and Manziel. Manziel has a chance of going slightly lower, but I doubt it (in the chance it happens some team will trade up for him)

philj
philj

I have seen him a mid third on walterfootball...he is 6'6" and a 4.54 40

jwill
jwill

@Michael Stewart @jwillWell, he's about an inch shorter and 20lbs lighter than Sapp. ALso Donald's frame is maxed. He's not going to get any bigger. But kudos on John Randle, who was amazing in several roles.


Still, that's only two players. The likelihood that he succeeds at what is, statistically, one of the hardest positions to transition to in the NFL is low.


Also a good point about the senior bowl. If a player can dominate there, its a great showing of NFL potential.

I do think there are enough question marks to push him to the bottom of round 1 or early round 2.

cole3244
cole3244

@jwill @cole3244quit making excuses for eli he has led the league in interceptions three times is it always someone elses fault? 

ball security is his responsibility you can't give eli all the credit for winning and blame miscues on everyone else, this is a team game in case you haven't noticed.

mcfly
mcfly

Robinson needs work on his pass block, but is light years ahead of the others in run blocking.

I do think he is the overall best of the three, but when it comes to just pass blocking he isn't as good as Matthews or Lewan (not saying he is bad, but needs work on technique).

Here is the thing, Robinson didn't just hold blocks - he literally pushed the line. You don't see that everyday (and against some of the best DEs in college).

spider43
spider43

@mcfly  ...... And the differences between Robinson, Matthews, and Lewan are slight. There really isn't a huge dropoff between Robinson and whoever is rated 3rd best (Lewan most likely). I actually think Robinson is getting overrated just a little bit. I don't think he is "head and shoulders" better than everyone else at LT.

jwill
jwill

@cole3244 @jwillI'm not talking about blame or credit. Functionally, Eli is a QB who needs to trust his WRs to go get the ball, meaning he needs WRs who can win battles. He also tends to overcompensate for eam deficiencies. If you look at his worst statistical years, they correlate with times when the offense is in transition for a number of reasons.


If he wasnt that guy, the Giants dont win the 2007 Superbowl. He takes that sack and makes the "safe" play, the Giants dont bring the Lombardi trophy home.