We asked our readers to provide us their thoughts about the Giants as they embark on their game in Chicago tonight and how they feel about the state of the franchise in general….
Brett M: Having to play Chicago on a shortened week doesn’t bold well for the Giants. The OL needs to play especially well to give the Giants any chance to squeak out a win in Soldier Field! A win on Thursday can be the the spark to reel off wins within the division!
Andrew: I always thought Jerry Reese was a genius. I think he bought into his early success as well, and now beleives not in talent but in projects. Never thought I would say this, but the mess we are in (i.e. Linebackers, RB & OL specifically) is directly tied to reaching for athletes in the draft and not football players.
Tom: There isn’t a doubt in my mind that they will stay winless.
JC: One of two things is going to happen. One) They nut up and win which is unlikely. If they win they get a second bye week. Have 10 days off celebrating finally getting a win and preparing for their next opponent maybe adding a new wrinkle here or there. Two) The most likely out come they have a good first half and keep the game tight then turn the ball over 3 times 2 picks 1 fumble and lose by 15. As a fan I hope its one but as a realist I think its two.
Stonewall: Giants continue to lose, finish 2-14..Coughlin retires gracefully, ass’t coaches gone..Reese stays on due to NFL emphasis on minority opportunities…hoping Jon Gruden comes in, has inout into 2014 draft, Giants begin to rebuild
James: If the Giants stop the free fall, like they have for the last several years, it would be the worst thing for the organization. The faulty coaching of their coordinaters has been winked at by management long enough. Keep Coughlin if you will, but force him to get new innovative coordinaters.
James S: Yes, the Giants will Indeed go 0-6. Everything that has gone wrong will continue. It’s just one of those years…Look for more of the same, turnovers and inconsistency on offense and defense. That’s been the theme in this young precarious season.
JT: While I believe is was in 2010 that the Giants were facing an undefeated Bears team (while the GMEN were I believe 1-2), that game was at home and the team still had life.
It is the NFL, and therefore, any team can win any week. But thru 5 games this team has shown absolutely no reason why or how they will win. There are some good core pieces to the team, but it seems like the shortcuts the team has taken have finally caught up. Also, the team hasn’t had a top 10 pick in a decade, so it was a matter of time. With that being said, another loss…or another 10 losses at this point will probably do little to nothing. I think Coughlin is a good coach and should be commended for all he has done to help this franchise return to success. But those 2 Super Bowls came out of nowhere, and everything around them have been average at best. I agree winning SB’s is enough of a reason to keep a coach, but I think we need to focus more on the non-SB seasons then those two miracles ones.
My recommendation is let this season play out as is. There is no point to try to make massive changes in the middle of the season. There is no proof this team can be competitive right now, so I think you play the season out with who you have, for both the players and coaches. But then, its time to clean house. GM+Head Coach+Most of the Staff=Fired. Resign Nicks. Get rid of anyone else with an expiring contract. I don’t want to see Webster, Ross, Diehl, Bass, Snee, Jacobs, Tuck, Rivers, and a few others in a Giants uniform anymore. They are either old, bad or both. These guys are eating up salary and are just in the way. I think part of the transition is to get the younger guys on the squad a chance now. Moore, Hill, Hankins, and so forth.
I am not sure who the new GM and coach should be. I do not, DO NOT, want Cowher. He has been out of the game, he is extremely happy with his current life (I know this firsthand), and he wasnt that great of a coach. I think we go younger and someone who has a new style that plays well with our core. I dont want a coach that has already had several shots at being an NFL coach and failed (like the Bills). We are the New York Football Giants…its one of the best jobs in sports, and there should be an unlimited list of coaches available both on the college and NFL coordinator list. Its too bad Peyton Manning isnt ready to be a coach. Anyway, I am a true Giants fan. Anyone who says we need to support our team thru good and bad is missing the fact that you can support your team while still being critical and oppose what they are doing. We keep showing up to the games and pretend everything is okay, management is going to make no changes. Show management that this isnt okay and its time for major changes. Go Giants.
Jordan R: I believe the Gmen will fall to 0-6, simply due to lack of coverage ability and the WR talent of Marshall+Alshon. Even if they are covered, there are no LBs to stop Forte. Should the giants fall, the media will overreact and fans will jump ship, but i all honesty, it has been a tough schedule, injuries have taken their toll, and Reese didn’t have the depth in place at O-Line of LB. Always next year.
Joe A: Call me a homer but I still have faith in the NY Giants. Yes, I still feel this way despite the fact I drove 7 hours from my house to see them get drubbed by the Carolina Panthers 38-0 to make it a very painful 7 hour drive back home. If the Giants can somehow figure out how to not turn the ball over so much then there is no reason to believe they cannot compete with anyone in this league. Regardless of how this season unfolds from here on in there are still a lot of veterans on this ball club and a lot of offensive firepower on the field. Could they still finish out 8-8 and get in the dance. Yes.
There are teams in this league that are successful without a running game but nobody can win games with the turnovers we churn out week after week. The bigger problem we have right now is that the coordinators never change their approach. Gilbride continues to throw out the same schemes every week and the Giants are terribly predictable even for a non-professional observer like myself.
I honestly think the Giants are going to shock everyone and win this game by a decided margin and protect the ball. Do I have logic to use in defense of this position . . . not really. We still have some very good skilled players on the offensive side of the ball at the very least so there is no reason to think we won’t win it.
Now the bigger question. . . does a win change the outlook of this ball club. Not at all. Nobody should be hitting the panic button right now since there is very little that can be done other than continue to grind and believe things will eventually turn around. However, questions like should we trade Nicks to a contender for picks or a talented young linemen . . . I’d say yes we should if we’re not intent on bringing him back.
I just hope enough damage has been done for Coughlin to realize Gilbride and Fewell aren’t the right guys (perhaps Spags again as DC). My hope is Reece will ignore his philosophy of best available (even if they are projects) and pick based on need. It’s unconscionable that he continually ignored the LB, CB, and add more OL’s knowing all the question marks we had already.
Tim M: It’s time to start playing the young guys especially defense because a lot of the veterans are 1 year wonders. Let’s see what we have left for the Bill Cowher next year.
Jon D: It’s time for our resident genius GM to waive the wight flag on the season. He should be working to trade any veteran contracts that will not be re-signed in the off season. I’m looking at you Mr Tuck and Mr Nicks…
Jeff B: It hurts me to say this, but I really don’t see the GMEN putting up much of a fight in this one. They’ve given up over 30 points in 7 of their last 8 games dating back to last season. Are they suddenly going to keep Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall out of the end zone with the secondary dropping like flies? The message has been written on the board for some time now that a change in philosophy in necessary. There are a few different factors contributing to this dismal season and this isn’t going to be an overnight fix.
The person above all else who needs to be held accountable is Jerry Reese. He, much like Coughlin and Eli, has gotten a free pass for those two superbowl rings but the wholes in our depth chart look like a block of swiss cheese. Yes, his draft in ’07 was an overall success and he did sign Cruz out of nowhere, but to have as little cap room as we do every year we really have little talent to show for it. As Giants fans, have we not been dreaming of a solid linebacker or consistent corner for almost a decade? I’m not sure Reese deserves to be fired just yet, but something needs to change in the scouting department.
The more immediate change that needs to happen is both coordinators need to be shown the door. I realize you can only do so much with the talent given to you, but offensively there is no reason we shouldn’t be scoring more. Calling the same, played out plays over and over again is the reason we are so stagnant and predictable. Eli will never be his brother, but is he not capable of running a no huddle offense like Peyton? We have one of the best passing attacks in the league, why not run a west coast scheme to alleviate the lack of a run game? Defensively, I have nothing to say but if you can’t adjust your schemes like every other D-coordinator when you are getting torched, I think it’s time to go. Obviously, the lack of a pass rush makes the secondary look lost out there, so why continue to play man coverage?
Overall, I think the GM needs to get creative in the draft. Instead of “best player available”, draft guys that fit the schemes you’re trying to run. I also wouldn’t be upset if trading Nicks helped us build more depth. But, trading for has-been linebackers ain’t gonna cut it. That’s just my opinion.
Pete: If they pull it off … It will be to the credit of the defensive line who (and I am NOT wishing this) injures Cutler early in the game. The bears season will be in limbo as Cutler is out two to three weeks. And as for the Giants, 1-5 never felt so much like 0-6.
If they don’t win … I would expect some roster turn over. Rumors will swirl regarding Nicks being traded. A few more players will be added to IR, with more kids added to the roster. The auditions begin in the defensive back field with Hill, Cooper, James and McBride. Oh, and maybe just maybe we see Michael Cox starting week 7.
…It could happen.
Jeff: Perhaps the Giants can stop this free-fall. It’s a terribly weak division and perhaps they will find a way to claw back into it. Maybe the division is won at 7-9. However the better question is, is this good for the long term future of the Giants? They have wide spread systemic problems. You have both an outdated offense and outadated defense and coordinators who show absolutely no willingness to adapt. Not in game, and not week to week.
It almost makes you wonder what they do between games each week. Look around the league, athletes who can cover man to man and blitzing packages are the norm, the Giants are steadfast in their commitment to an outdated system of just rushing four and playing this awkward zone defense. They have been gashed for years by tight ends over the middle, either due to a scheme issue, or the lack of cover linebackers. Their offense is even worse. Look around the league. The entire league is moving to up tempo, quick slants, getting dynamic players in space, drawing defenses in close and then going over the top when the time is right. Is anybody doing any scouting at all to try and change? The Giants offense is so predictable and stale and despite two super bowls has been for years. Pass, Run for no yardage, fail to convert in a 3rd and long.
They have real talent on the offensive side but with so much stale play calling and predictability it’s totally moot. When you have an underpeforming, beat up, inexperienced offensive line you simply can’t be taking seven step drops and waiting for plays to develop down field, sooner or later you’ll get your quarterback hurt. The failure of Kevin Gilbride to recognize this and adjust is an absolute critical failure on his part that should cost him his job. David Wilson may not be a between the tackles beast, but he is explosive. Find a Darren Sproles-esque packagae for him, get him the ball on the wing, in space, whatever, just get him the ball.
Finally things are not totally in shambles as one would think. You have Pierre-Paul, Hankins, Joseph, Kiwanuka (who despite the criticism has been one of the more active involved defensive linemen for the giants this year, I don’t know why people are so down on him) Amukamara, Will Hill, perhaps Stevie Brown, Paysinger and Jacquain Williams, even Terrell Thomas has shown promise and could be the veteran to stick around to build around on D. Depart with the old guard of Rolle Tuck, Webster, Ross. Simply put they need to find a way to get an impact Middle Linebacker and an Impact Corner back, whatever it takes, whereever it may come from and the defense will not be as bleak as people think. There are real pieces to build around and a scheme change would do everyone well.
On offense, they need to move on from Hakeem Nicks and get as much as they can while his value is up. Ruben Randle is emerging, and Cruz is as good as ever. Wilson can be a weapon if used in the right way. Draft another offensive linemen, sign an impact Tackle. Beatty, Pugh and Brewer can be solid pieces of a good line if placed in the right spot. The line is rebuilding but it’s not as a big of a disaster as it seems. Find a veteran running back who can take some of the abuse between the tackles and allow Wilson to get touches in space (not Brandon Jacobs, someone at least a little more dynamic).
Can the Giants win the NFC east? Sure. Is it good for their long term success. No. They need systemic changes especially at the coordinator position and any thing that allows them to hang around (presumming they continue to fail to adapt) would be unwelcome.
Finally, look around the league. It’s a young man’s game. The Giants have to get away from these project players who take years to develop and Coughlin must come off his stance of refusing to play rookies until his hand is forced. Rookies around the league are making impacts and the Giants have to start to draft players who are ready to play and Coughlin must loosen the reigns and let them play
Ken: Plain and simple… No, they will not go 0-6. I do believe that this team will come out fighting and play hard for at least 3 quarters tomorrow(haha). I can not let any thoughts of a better draft pick, changing of the guard, my fantasy teams, or the possiblity of trading players for more picks to get in the way of my first thought and that is I believe in Big Blue! I hope they get the job done on Thursday!! As a die-hard fan, I will be rooting for them all 4 quarters!! The Gmen need to rally around themselves. I, as a fan, am rallying at home..in Philly.. sigh.
Joe: Giants will end the season missing the playoffs BUT finish 2nd in the NFC east. Coughlin will retire and the hot name will be… Cowher, of course
McGeorge: The Giants will lose and fall to 0-6, which is a good thing because the team needs to rebuild. Having a terrible record allows them to get good draft picks. The worst case scenario is to finish 7-9 and mis s out on the top picks.
0-16 and getting Teddy Bridgewater who they can then trade for a kings ransom would be ideal.
Craig A: The Giants will lose this week and hopefully finish the year with a top 3 pick in the 2014 draft. Maybe with the pick Reese will draft a Punter.I don’t care about the two Super Bowls in 2007 and 2011. I care about the present,not the past.
Tony: Giants will fall 0-6, too many injuries to positions that weren’t strong to begin with. Due to an incredibly weak offensive line, the Giants will be unable to establish the run game, which will lead to Eli forcing passes that aren’t there on third and longs.
On the defensive side of the ball, the line gets no pressure on the quarterback, especially from the ends (who are supposed to be our strongest). In addition, the linebackers are very poor at blitzing as they have trouble adapting to what the offense gives them and either overplays it gap responsibility and shoots by the the RB or QB or are too conservative. I don’t have the numbers, but I wonder what the % of plays the Giants Defense were able to make behind the line of scrimmage in comparison to the other teams. Our secondary also is very inconsistent. It’s shows flashes of being solid, but like all the Giants team in the past decade, relies on a good pass rush which has been non-existent. The secondary like to take a lot of chances for interceptions and unfortunately they most of the time, they miss. Yes, injuries have hurt the team but if Aaron Ross going to the IR is a “big loss” for the secondary, you have to question how good the secondary was to begin with.
Overall, healthy…this wasn’t a very good team to start out with. Which is why with the injuries that they have had and having to resort to signing players off the practice squad and trading for players who are at the twilight of their careers, the team understandably in worse shape. The most amazing part of this season is that even at 0-5 the Giants are only two behind the division leader. Can the season turn around? Absolutely, but I would not bet on it. I don’t think that this is about coaching, or that the team has ‘given up’ as some have pointed out (Carl Banks that’s to you). This team has too much pride and respect for football to do that. This is about quality of talent which is very poor (I am making the assumption here that the coaching staff is getting the best out of the players right now, which i think is a valid assumption to make. C’mon most of these coaches didn’t make it to the NFL because they’re bad coaches.)
Going forward, this team needs to just get through the season with the best football they can play and then take long hard look at the pieces they have and re-evaluate them. I have a lot respect for Jerry Reese’s ability to evaluate talent, but this just wasn’t his year, whether that’s due to his bias towards his own draft picks or to his belief in “reclamation” projects. No matter how good you’re at with finding diamond in the rough, you’re still going to get a lot of “rough”.
Personally, i believe and I’m sure many others will agree is that the O-line needs a major overhaul. Baas (never healthy) Diehl and Snee have had great careers but at this point its just not there anymore for them. The rest I would have no problem getting rid off, Pugh I’m sure the giants will keep being the first round pick.
The defense also I think needs a major overhaul from top to bottom. Writing this has become very depressing and I think I’ll just end it here. On the bright side… i’m 5-0 in my fantasy league even with Eli as my QB…
Alex: I can’t see these horrendous results stopping anytime soon. They look dead on the field after one thing does not go their way. It looks as if the team is giving up with the exception of very few players. Even though they have been put out of many games, it even looks like Eli is giving up as he just heaves the ball into double and triple coverage towards the ends of games on what seems like a game by game basis now. He did this in the 4th quarter of the Eagles game down only a couple of scores with plenty of time left on numerous occasions and I just can’t imagine him doing such if this team wasn’t playing as poorly as they are. The coaching is horrendous and if they lose this game and Gilbride still has a job come next weekend, you can count on me missing my first Giants game in about 10 years because he can not seem to adjust his play calling to meet this teams abilities.
Skookaloop: Q#1. NO, and it’s not a FREEFALL !!!
REESE, has been DIGGING this Hole for 3 Years….
This was EZ to see coming…
And if you didn’t, After last Season…
You Should have Known After the 2013 DRAFT !!!
So, for ALL you ” In REESE we TRUST”…
All Lambs will be led to Slaughter…
Q#3. Nothing, So SAD for ELI….
Working in the NYG’s Front Office is better than a Government Job…
David: The free fall will continue past the Bears to the Vikings. 0-7 will be an ugly reality that will force ownership to make a statement.
Thomas L: Yes.. a tight one that will lead to a 6-10 record. maybe our draft position will help.
Mike S: The Giants are heavy underdogs because they deserve to be heavy underdogs. At this point, I would be happy if the Giants can keep an opponent team under 30+ points let alone win.