Why Beckham over Martin and Donald?

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

I received an email from one of our readers that I feel must be addressed…

From Scott: Anything come out yet about where the Giants had Zach Martin or Aaron Donald on their big board? Are you surprised they didn’t go after one of them in round one?

No idea where those two were slotted on the Giants’ board, but Jerry Reese did tell us that Odell Beckham Jr. was somewhere between 5-10 on their board. I am not surprised at all by this pick.

The objective going into this offseason was to help Eli Manning by surrounding him with more quality players. They brought in four veteran offensive lineman (Geoff Schwartz, JD Walton, John Jerry and Charles Brown) to boost the versatility and depth of the offensive line. They already have Justin Pugh locked in, so you could comprise a pro-level line out of that group alone. The team is also expecting Chris Snee to return and they have a boatload of money invested in Will Beatty. They’ve also dedicated a lot of time and resources into Brandon Mosley and James Brewer, re-signed Dallas Reynolds and are still high on Eric Herman. That’s eleven names right there and there are probably one or two more coming.

That is why once the three big tackles were gone last night, Martin would just have been another body in the mix, so Beckham was the clear pick. Offense is the goal and they got a real good one in Beckham. He’s going to stretch the field both ways. Instead of getting it stuck to them by the likes of DeSean Jackson and Dez Bryant, they’re going to turn the tables on opponents by turning Beckham loose on them. Fun times await.

Plus, Beckham will make Victor Cruz and Rueben Randle better. Last night, Reese showed his cards by revealing that the offense works best with Cruz in the slot.

“We are talking about the quarterback needing some help, and this guy is a weapon,” Reese said of Beckham. “He needs a weapon on the outside, and Victor [Cruz] is more of an inside receiver. Victor can’t play outside. Rueben Randle, [Jerrel] Jernigan, and we got Mario [Manningham] back, so we are trying to get the quarterback some weapons. You need weapons in this league. We think this guy is a weapon.”

As for Donald, there are a growing number of people that believe that are skeptical he can have the same success in the NFL that he had at Pitt. The Giants are under pressure to improve the offense, so taking Donald could have been too risky for them.

The Giants are comfortable with their DT rotation of Cullen Jenkins, Mike Patterson, Jon Hankins and Markus Kuhn. I’m sure they will search for a fifth, but that group played well last season, so how much Donald would add to the group with limited snaps is unknown. Beckham will be on the field for most of the offensive snaps and perhaps the majority of the returns on specials.





60 comments
Stacey Pickett
Stacey Pickett

DANG Iman getting 4/40 for his inconsistent a$$!!! WOW

blackwood1
blackwood1

Omer asik I wonder what he is looking to make, rebounder & shot blocker plus solid man defense. 7mil maybe a little more? 


Danny Green & Monroe would take up most of our free money so I would call up the kings who are looking for a vet PG which coach Karl loves & try to swap Calderon for Jason Thompson.


Lots of moving parts out there, the team has to be creative.

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

According to Sporting News, the Knicks have "major interest" in Beverley, and they do have the cap space to lure him to New York

John Munro
John Munro

No he's much better and a good defensive forward but he's not a rim protector and he can't play in a front court with porzingis and melo so I don't think he's a fit on defense hence I don't want him. Offensively he's a great fit but we wouldn't be able to beat the cavs with the lack of rebounding and defense there

John Munro
John Munro

The Warriors this year have elite defense and 3 point shooting so did the Spurs and the mavs.

They all had gritty complete players that are willing to do the dirty work. Complete players that can guard multiple positions and especially guard Lebron.

Afflalo isn't khwai Leonard or iggougdala. I Want the Knicks to build a team around melo and pozingis. Give them 3 point shooting and an elite defensive and rebounding unit and u should be able to give the cavs a fight. Your not gonna out score them in a shoot out and ur certainly not gonna stop them with Munro melo and porzingis and Ull never out star them.

The key is doing with the mavs warriors and Spurs did Demare carol is that kind of guy, Wesley Mathews or green could be a good fit I like west for the right price and add a real c like Lopez to help porzingis protect the paint.

Pozingis might get pushed around a little next year like camby did when he was young but he has a 7'6 wing spam at 7'3 with his lateral quickness he'll be able to block shots next year but he needs help on the block and a real defensive center. Grant and any one of those sg"s I mentioned would give us an elite defensive back court and good 3 point shooting. If we get the right pieces we could be a tough team to beat but it starts with defense and being tough and it ends with 3 point shooting and melo

John Munro
John Munro

Give me Lopez west and green with 5 million in cap for next year that would be a dream come true considering where not gonna get Jordan gasol or Aldridge

I would almost rather have a combo of Galloway smith and shump for 1 year at 8 million combined than afflalo for 3 years at 40 million

1harris1
1harris1

Afflalo is a good player, just not worth 35 mil. I have a hard time believing that Phil is offering him that kind of money.

uliar
uliar

@1harris1 you don't believe a source of a source. i guess its only believable when that source of a source is talking about Melo

John Munro
John Munro

It's so stupid how reporters keep saying Knicks only won 17 games last year. Melo didn't play and I'm not a huge melo fan but he is always in the playoffs.

Where all the all stars who say ha they won 17 last year but they didn't have me and melo in the weak east.

U add Jordan and demare carol and we will have an elite defensive unit good 3 point shooting and be a top 4 seed in the east with 20 million in cap space the following season with prob 1 solid piece away from giving the cavs a hard time.

Signing afflalo and Munro this year will mean will have an awful defensive front court and a below averaging sg making 13 million a year. That team won't beat the cavs even if it had durant.

Next off season will be the biggest free agency frenzy in the history of the nba. Not saying the Knicks can't with with Munro and Afflalo but they can't win with each of them making 14 million a year average. If the Knicks can't find great value this season sign Lopez, and carol and save 5 million for next year. The best move they could make is to be selective and not go for the quick fix. I thought we did that with this draft pick Jackson better show he knows what he's doing. He said amare melo and chandler where put together sloppy. Munro melo porzingis aflalo on a maxed out cap is sloppier than what we use to have

blackwood1
blackwood1

Why is football talk on this blog? Anyway I am hoping Phil does not pull a Donnie & over pay for an over rated or always hurt player. Focus on quality & see what shakes out. Green has been with a winner for yrs & bedn a main cog of the winning ways. No other free agent that is realistic for us offers that.


Now who would be better for us Monroe or Harris? Of course we don't know the actual money being asked for, if i could walk away with Green, Harris & R.Lopez by the end of the night i would be pleased with a solid FA class. 


Dont over spend! Thats the key because even if we walk away with just 1 of Green/Harris we are still better then we were, plus next yr other players & great fits will be available like Al Horford ect. If i need to explain why the best Dominican player in the nba ever would want to play in NYC lol well then you may have never been to Washington Heights lol.


All that said I look forward to seeing what Phil can do with his GM hat on.

Anthony Abruzzo
Anthony Abruzzo

There is an issue with the site. The Giants posts are from May 2014

Randy Wilson Jr.
Randy Wilson Jr.

@blackwood1 Giant Fans need to GTFO. There is a Giants blog for that. This is the Knicks blog. I'm a Jet Fan, but I would't talk Jets here. If I wanted to speak my mind about the Jets, I would go to the Jets Blog. 

jojo2218
jojo2218

they ruined this blog with all the block ppl .use to be going all night now empty

nyoak34
nyoak34

Yeah - I was just wondering what the doorman thinks about the draft and what TV shows they're all watching these days.

jojo2218
jojo2218

i hope they dont pay affalo 13 mil that crazy 

1harris1
1harris1

If they're offering him that kind of money, he'll be a Knick in an hour.

Michel De Sportstadamus
Michel De Sportstadamus

Talking to a guy today and told him that I would be happy if Zinger averages 9-11 points as a rookie as long as he's efficient. The difference between him and other lottery picks is that he's going to a team with a main guy already in Carmelo Anthony, along with cap space for free agents. If Anthony averages 23 points next season, along with a free agent like Monroe who can average 20 points, you're looking at 43 points per game. Throw in one more free agent who can average 13-16 points, now were at close to 60 points a game. Best-case scenario Zinger averages 10, thats 70 from 4 players. 4-5 more players who can combine to average 25-30 then all we have to do is play defense. We might make it back to .500 basketball, which is 30 more wins than last season.

John Munro
John Munro

Munro has never come close to 20 points a game in his career and that team isn't getting a stop in the next 3 years thats worse than dantonis defense

Michel De Sportstadamus
Michel De Sportstadamus

*-*  (that feeling when you see 30 comments on the Knicks blog and everyone is talking about the Giants...) *-*

Joey Pasqualini
Joey Pasqualini

This guy Michael Stewart really hit the nail on the head about Beckham. Lmao

nyoak34
nyoak34

Sounds like the same comments I've been reading about the Knicks' draft....

bblessed
bblessed

I think I got that feeling😳

Michel De Sportstadamus
Michel De Sportstadamus

@Joey Pasqualini Oh sorry!! Did not realize he was talking about Fantasy Football!! Saw the football references and just thought they were talking Giants football. My leagues buy-in is $200!  I need all the advice i can get, so in that case please carry on. Coming in 9th last year I definitely don't mind getting sound advice while coming to TKB everyday.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@a57se Beckham would've been a good pick for the Jets cause they chose at 18 and not 12. Plus he wouldn't be a redundant player on the Jets as he is on the Giants

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

No one can tell me that Beckham is lights out rated so high and above the remaining WR's in this draft...Beckham is an absolute reach at #12 and if Reese wanted him so badly, he could have traded back at least 8 spots for an additional pick and still got him..This is arguably the deepest draft in many years, so why wouldn't you arm yourself with more picks (Vikings and 49ers). The Giants already had PT/PR players on the roster that were and have been very successful at the NFL level. For Reese to comment that part of his decision to draft Beckham is the fact that he is a threat at PT/PR just doesn't make sense. With rounds 2/3 today and 4/5/6 Tomorrow, Reese better hope he can select players that will contribute immediately and are not reaches like Beckham is. Reese could have selected a WR in rounds 2,3,4 and even 5 and had gotten a very good player. This is a very bad pick and Reese (Giants) wasted an opportunity to really put a stamp on this draft. In regards to Aaron Donald, who was sitting there ready to be taken, he is going to be a very good player in the NFL and will be better than Beckham at the NFL level. The same can be said for Zach Martin.

Once again, Reese has shown the ability to reach for a player who may have a high ceiling (highly doubtful) instead of getting a player who will actually play and produce right away. The Giants needed a WR in this draft without question. However; Beckham is and was not the right choice and Giant fans will find out soon enough

jwill
jwill

@Michael Stewart Actually, it's not really that arguable. If you're judging based on stats, accomplishments, and potential this WR class is actually the deepest in the history of the 7th round draft. You got guys from the 1st down to undrafted guys who project to be game-changers. Marqis Lee is actually a much better WR than Bekham or Cooke. Had he not had a down year and some injury concerns, he would have been drafted  in the top 10. Not to dismiss the reasons he fell, but just to point out how good this class is and why it was so unnecessary to reach for OBJ.

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@Michael Stewart  Everyone to man (and woman) in the press box at Radio City last night thought this was an excellent pick by the Giants. I am like you, I thought they would take another player at 12, but they felt they needed to strike right then and there. All I know, is that Reese is down to his last bullet as GM so this must have been green lighted  by everyone in the organization.

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@jwill  The fact that Lee is still sitting there going into night two tells you a lot. The Eagles were supposedly hot for Lee, but they traded out and then took a DE.

jwill
jwill

@SNYGiants @jwillIt doesnt tell that much, just that he was injured for most of 2013. And that is a legitimate reason for him to fall. 


Again, I'm not dismissing the reason he fell, just pointing out how uniquely excellent this draft class is and why there was no reason to reach for Bekham.


Another example, Cody Lattimor is a better WR than Bekham, fell due to injury. Legitimate reason to fall, but illustrates the unique depth of this class, which the Giants failed to take advantage of.

bklehmann
bklehmann

@Michael Stewart  They just so rigidly follow their board without any conception of value, depth of talent, positional team needs...etc..etc.


Ok...this WR is rated 93 and this DT is rated 88, but the next best WR i can get in the 2nd is 90, while the next best DT I can get in round 2 is a 70. In addition, our current crop of WRs rates to a B, while our DTs rate to a C-. 

They'll CONSISTENLTY....W/O APOLOGY....take the higher grade WR...without any conception of value/need.

drewc
drewc

@SNYGiants  What do these people think about Beatty protecting Eli's blindside?  It needs to be addressed.  

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@SNYGiants  

REALLY ???!!!???

" EVERYONE in the pressbox,

thought it was a EXCELLENT PICK"

It was a REACH ...

Why DON"T you set-up a pole.....

WR O. BECKHAM:

1. REACH

2. GREAT Value

3. DRAFT STEAL

4. BAD PICK


lets See what the FANs think .....

.... i double dog Dare You....Mr. Moderator

David Lopez
David Lopez

Reese's philosophical approach to the draft, which is heavy on developmental players has resulted in missing the playoffs in 4 out of the 5 last seasons.

He has to start getting immediate impacts out of these draft picks because I really believe he is starting to run out of time.

Moreover the notion that Beckham was a top-ten prospect in this draft is disengenuous.

Lyle Weiser
Lyle Weiser

Michael,

I totally agree. Donald is going to be a stud and was just what the Giants' needed to take double and triple-teaming off JPP. I'm afraid that's it's going to be another year where the pass rush is non-existent. And the top-tier QBs will pick apart our secondary, no matter how much improved.

Dave
Dave

My beef with this pick is not Beckham himself, but instead the way the Giants treat rookie WRs. Maybe things will change with McAdoo but in the past years they have not relied heavily on rookies until year 2 or even later (Jernigan). So I feel like at 12 he might have been a reach. Also Reese said he has experience returning KO and Punts, which is odd because for a 1st rounder, I dont want him anywhere near KO or punts, they already have Holiday and Demps. Anyways, just hope they use him heavily and build the offense with him, cruz and randle. 

cole3244
cole3244

someone will be getting a steal with wr lee in the second round.


i would love to see the jints get hyde but i am dreaming on that one.

hashburry
hashburry

Certainly, if Eli is bad Eli again, they have to consider moving on for 2015.  I get there are lots of players on a football team, but the big overhaul has put this team in a spot where they have very few players that are exciting and make you think pro bowl.


Carl Banks was speaking about the O-line last night and he kept coming back to the fact he didn't recognize most of the names, partly pointing to the fact they brought in a bunch of new guys, but more making the point that they are mostly run of the mill fill ins, not impactful players.


Still amazing the way this team is either making a run for the SB or crashing and burning at an epic level.

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@hashburry  Hyde is very much a possibility. Whoever gets him will be thankful. The guy punishes defenses. 

rico
rico

Whatever happened to Louis Murphy?  

fast_eddie
fast_eddie

@rico  


He pretty much stinks...I guess that's what happened to him. :-)

philj
philj

Offensive Tackles...Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Joel Bitonio


Defensive Tackles...Timmy Jernigan, Stephen Tuitt, Ra'Shede Hageman, Louis Nix III


Other Considerations...Xavier Su'a-Filo OG, Kony Ealy DE, Demarcus Lawrence DE


Hopefully the Giants grab one of these guys in the second round...All of these guys are rated higher than 43...Then grab a TE in the 3rd Round

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@philj  Concerned about Kouandjio's knee. Ealy is dropping, lots of bad vides around him.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@philj Makes sense, However; Reese is making the selections and for the past 3 drafts, most of his picks do not make sense