Why Beckham over Martin and Donald?

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

I received an email from one of our readers that I feel must be addressed…

From Scott: Anything come out yet about where the Giants had Zach Martin or Aaron Donald on their big board? Are you surprised they didn’t go after one of them in round one?

No idea where those two were slotted on the Giants’ board, but Jerry Reese did tell us that Odell Beckham Jr. was somewhere between 5-10 on their board. I am not surprised at all by this pick.

The objective going into this offseason was to help Eli Manning by surrounding him with more quality players. They brought in four veteran offensive lineman (Geoff Schwartz, JD Walton, John Jerry and Charles Brown) to boost the versatility and depth of the offensive line. They already have Justin Pugh locked in, so you could comprise a pro-level line out of that group alone. The team is also expecting Chris Snee to return and they have a boatload of money invested in Will Beatty. They’ve also dedicated a lot of time and resources into Brandon Mosley and James Brewer, re-signed Dallas Reynolds and are still high on Eric Herman. That’s eleven names right there and there are probably one or two more coming.

That is why once the three big tackles were gone last night, Martin would just have been another body in the mix, so Beckham was the clear pick. Offense is the goal and they got a real good one in Beckham. He’s going to stretch the field both ways. Instead of getting it stuck to them by the likes of DeSean Jackson and Dez Bryant, they’re going to turn the tables on opponents by turning Beckham loose on them. Fun times await.

Plus, Beckham will make Victor Cruz and Rueben Randle better. Last night, Reese showed his cards by revealing that the offense works best with Cruz in the slot.

“We are talking about the quarterback needing some help, and this guy is a weapon,” Reese said of Beckham. “He needs a weapon on the outside, and Victor [Cruz] is more of an inside receiver. Victor can’t play outside. Rueben Randle, [Jerrel] Jernigan, and we got Mario [Manningham] back, so we are trying to get the quarterback some weapons. You need weapons in this league. We think this guy is a weapon.”

As for Donald, there are a growing number of people that believe that are skeptical he can have the same success in the NFL that he had at Pitt. The Giants are under pressure to improve the offense, so taking Donald could have been too risky for them.

The Giants are comfortable with their DT rotation of Cullen Jenkins, Mike Patterson, Jon Hankins and Markus Kuhn. I’m sure they will search for a fifth, but that group played well last season, so how much Donald would add to the group with limited snaps is unknown. Beckham will be on the field for most of the offensive snaps and perhaps the majority of the returns on specials.




31 comments
a57se
a57se

I came over here to see how you guys were reacting to the Giants picking Beckham.

I am a Jets fan and wanted Beckham really badly for the Jets anemic offense.

You guys are very fortunate to have him on your roster and I am extremely jealous.

You will be very happy Reese took this kid in the near future.....




Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

No one can tell me that Beckham is lights out rated so high and above the remaining WR's in this draft...Beckham is an absolute reach at #12 and if Reese wanted him so badly, he could have traded back at least 8 spots for an additional pick and still got him..This is arguably the deepest draft in many years, so why wouldn't you arm yourself with more picks (Vikings and 49ers). The Giants already had PT/PR players on the roster that were and have been very successful at the NFL level. For Reese to comment that part of his decision to draft Beckham is the fact that he is a threat at PT/PR just doesn't make sense. With rounds 2/3 today and 4/5/6 Tomorrow, Reese better hope he can select players that will contribute immediately and are not reaches like Beckham is. Reese could have selected a WR in rounds 2,3,4 and even 5 and had gotten a very good player. This is a very bad pick and Reese (Giants) wasted an opportunity to really put a stamp on this draft. In regards to Aaron Donald, who was sitting there ready to be taken, he is going to be a very good player in the NFL and will be better than Beckham at the NFL level. The same can be said for Zach Martin.

Once again, Reese has shown the ability to reach for a player who may have a high ceiling (highly doubtful) instead of getting a player who will actually play and produce right away. The Giants needed a WR in this draft without question. However; Beckham is and was not the right choice and Giant fans will find out soon enough

Dave
Dave

My beef with this pick is not Beckham himself, but instead the way the Giants treat rookie WRs. Maybe things will change with McAdoo but in the past years they have not relied heavily on rookies until year 2 or even later (Jernigan). So I feel like at 12 he might have been a reach. Also Reese said he has experience returning KO and Punts, which is odd because for a 1st rounder, I dont want him anywhere near KO or punts, they already have Holiday and Demps. Anyways, just hope they use him heavily and build the offense with him, cruz and randle. 

cole3244
cole3244

someone will be getting a steal with wr lee in the second round.


i would love to see the jints get hyde but i am dreaming on that one.

hashburry
hashburry

Certainly, if Eli is bad Eli again, they have to consider moving on for 2015.  I get there are lots of players on a football team, but the big overhaul has put this team in a spot where they have very few players that are exciting and make you think pro bowl.


Carl Banks was speaking about the O-line last night and he kept coming back to the fact he didn't recognize most of the names, partly pointing to the fact they brought in a bunch of new guys, but more making the point that they are mostly run of the mill fill ins, not impactful players.


Still amazing the way this team is either making a run for the SB or crashing and burning at an epic level.

rico
rico

Whatever happened to Louis Murphy?  

philj
philj

Offensive Tackles...Cyrus Kouandjio, Morgan Moses, Joel Bitonio


Defensive Tackles...Timmy Jernigan, Stephen Tuitt, Ra'Shede Hageman, Louis Nix III


Other Considerations...Xavier Su'a-Filo OG, Kony Ealy DE, Demarcus Lawrence DE


Hopefully the Giants grab one of these guys in the second round...All of these guys are rated higher than 43...Then grab a TE in the 3rd Round

bklehmann
bklehmann

the Giants have this "Best Player Available" strategy that they've been burned by way too often.


Sometimes in order to "win" you need to draft to NEED!!!  You're saying that drafting Martin would add to the pool of OL to pour through, but adding Beckham is the EXACT same thing!!  OL and DT are two areas of NEED.  Martin is flexible enough to play anywhere on the line.  He projected as an elite center and considering how bad our production was there last year seemed like an obvious position to fill.


DT was another NEED.  Jenkins was ok last year, but the rest of the options are complete unknowns.  I'd take my chance on a DT that projects to a Geno Atkins level of talent.


We wonder why this team is so jekyll and hyde and i think its a drect result of their draft strategy of recent.  We just dont spread talent around the roster well enough.  We load up on single positions and neglect areas of need.  In prior years it was loading up on DT and ignoring LB and CB.  Now it seems to be load up on WR and neglect DT.


We'll see how this plays out, but this team is where it is bc we have drated extremely poorly over the past 4 years by ignoring glaring holes that if filled could put us over the top.


Skookaloop
Skookaloop

Mr.F---

On pure Value,

there are about 6 WR's

that are still on the Board,

that can be Had in the 2nd Round,

that have Just as Much Up-Side,  as WR O. Beckham....

there are ZERO O-Lineman in the 2nd round,

that have the SAME Value as LT/OG/C- Z. Martin....

1st. LT/OG/C- Z. Martin

2nd. WR D. Moncrief 

....................................... Would Help ELI and the Offense more.....

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

Watkins and Evans We're probably at the top of the list. then Matthews and Taylor Lewan.Eric Ebron was probably that 5th guy. that's five guys right there that were taken before the Giants selected. if we believe the Giants Beckham was the 5th to 10th player on their board.once the top five were gone it was probably between Beckham and Martin and maybe even Clinton dix, and Donald. and out of all of those last players Beckham was the most explosive.but my question is if Evans and Watkins really the guys you really wanted why not go and get them why not be aggressive once in awhile? why not get the best player rather than always just selecting the best player that's available

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@a57se Beckham would've been a good pick for the Jets cause they chose at 18 and not 12. Plus he wouldn't be a redundant player on the Jets as he is on the Giants

David Lopez
David Lopez

Reese's philosophical approach to the draft, which is heavy on developmental players has resulted in missing the playoffs in 4 out of the 5 last seasons.

He has to start getting immediate impacts out of these draft picks because I really believe he is starting to run out of time.

Moreover the notion that Beckham was a top-ten prospect in this draft is disengenuous.

bklehmann
bklehmann

@Michael Stewart  They just so rigidly follow their board without any conception of value, depth of talent, positional team needs...etc..etc.


Ok...this WR is rated 93 and this DT is rated 88, but the next best WR i can get in the 2nd is 90, while the next best DT I can get in round 2 is a 70. In addition, our current crop of WRs rates to a B, while our DTs rate to a C-. 

They'll CONSISTENLTY....W/O APOLOGY....take the higher grade WR...without any conception of value/need.

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@Michael Stewart  Everyone to man (and woman) in the press box at Radio City last night thought this was an excellent pick by the Giants. I am like you, I thought they would take another player at 12, but they felt they needed to strike right then and there. All I know, is that Reese is down to his last bullet as GM so this must have been green lighted  by everyone in the organization.

jwill
jwill

@Michael Stewart Actually, it's not really that arguable. If you're judging based on stats, accomplishments, and potential this WR class is actually the deepest in the history of the 7th round draft. You got guys from the 1st down to undrafted guys who project to be game-changers. Marqis Lee is actually a much better WR than Bekham or Cooke. Had he not had a down year and some injury concerns, he would have been drafted  in the top 10. Not to dismiss the reasons he fell, but just to point out how good this class is and why it was so unnecessary to reach for OBJ.

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@hashburry  Hyde is very much a possibility. Whoever gets him will be thankful. The guy punishes defenses. 

fast_eddie
fast_eddie

@rico  


He pretty much stinks...I guess that's what happened to him. :-)

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@philj  Concerned about Kouandjio's knee. Ealy is dropping, lots of bad vides around him.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@philj Makes sense, However; Reese is making the selections and for the past 3 drafts, most of his picks do not make sense

hashburry
hashburry

@bklehmann  Funny, the Niners always draft to need.  Seems to be a solid plan.

spider43
spider43

@Skookaloop  .....   Well........  if we ended up with Kouandjio or Moses in the 2nd round, I would say that would be an acceptable and comparable haul of talent. I would be happy with that.  Beckham and Kouandjio or Moses would be the equivalent of Martin and Moncrief.

lweight
lweight

@jaymanjay  There really was just no way for that to happen. Consider that the Bills had to trade their 2015 first-rounder to move from pick #9 to #4. Given where Evans was taken, we would have needed to move to #6, which would have cost at least as much (probably more). Even if the Falcons would have done that deal (which I don't think they would have, given that Mathews was sitting there for them, and Oakland certainly wouldn't have given up their chance at Mack at #5), is Evans really that much better than Beckham that he's worth 2 first-round picks? 

spider43
spider43

@jaymanjay  .... As you already know, that's simply not the way the Giants ever operate. I often wonder why players who are clearly superior in talent are always ignored by the Giants front office. There never seems to be ANY attempt (or even a rumor) of the Giants to move up into a Top 5 draft pick position. They are always just content to stand pat.

Lyle Weiser
Lyle Weiser

Michael,

I totally agree. Donald is going to be a stud and was just what the Giants' needed to take double and triple-teaming off JPP. I'm afraid that's it's going to be another year where the pass rush is non-existent. And the top-tier QBs will pick apart our secondary, no matter how much improved.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@SNYGiants  

REALLY ???!!!???

" EVERYONE in the pressbox,

thought it was a EXCELLENT PICK"

It was a REACH ...

Why DON"T you set-up a pole.....

WR O. BECKHAM:

1. REACH

2. GREAT Value

3. DRAFT STEAL

4. BAD PICK


lets See what the FANs think .....

.... i double dog Dare You....Mr. Moderator

drewc
drewc

@SNYGiants  What do these people think about Beatty protecting Eli's blindside?  It needs to be addressed.  

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@jwill  The fact that Lee is still sitting there going into night two tells you a lot. The Eagles were supposedly hot for Lee, but they traded out and then took a DE.

jwill
jwill

@SNYGiants @jwillIt doesnt tell that much, just that he was injured for most of 2013. And that is a legitimate reason for him to fall. 


Again, I'm not dismissing the reason he fell, just pointing out how uniquely excellent this draft class is and why there was no reason to reach for Bekham.


Another example, Cody Lattimor is a better WR than Bekham, fell due to injury. Legitimate reason to fall, but illustrates the unique depth of this class, which the Giants failed to take advantage of.