NFL Draft: Giants’ Day Three Primer

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

The Giants enter Day Three of the NFL Draft having fortified some need areas: WR, C, and DT. Many question the choice of players to fill those needs, but that could be said for most teams this morning.

Today the Giants have four selections:

Round Four: Pick 13 (113)
Round Five: Pick 12 (152) and Pick 34 (174)*
Round Six: Pick 11 (187)

They do not have a 7th round selection. It was traded away to Carolina last October in the Jon Beason deal.

*Compensatory selection (cannot be traded)

Possible positions to be addressed: TE, DB, RB, DE

Tight End: All the top ones are gone and the highest rated on the board right now is Oregon’s Colt Lyerla, who is very unlikely to be selected by the Giants. Two possibilities: Georgia’s Arthur Lynch and Marcel Jenson of Fresno State

Running Back: BC’S Andre Williams and Davonta Freeman of Florida State headline the draft board availables this morning. Alabama State’s Isaiah Crowell is also still out there.

DB: A sizable corner would be nice. Utah’s Keith McGill, Pierre Desir of Lindenwood and NC State’s Dontae Johnson could all pique the Giants’ interest. Some safety possibles: LSU’s Craig Loston, Dion Bailey of USC and Brock Vereen of Minnesota.




18 comments
manchu
manchu

Andre Williams... not bad, we could use another running back

manchu
manchu

What do you all think of the Desir kid from Lindenwood? excels at leaping, good ballhawking skills over 6 ft tall.. could add to the cb depth , and yes I think McGill should be drafted this round for safety depth

jwill
jwill

"Players taken with the picks immediately following Giants' picks so far: Aaron Donald, Cyrus Kouandjio, Tre Mason. Thoughts?"


-Dan Graziano


Some people want to turn their blinders on and defer to Jerry Reese on every decision. They think that being a "faithful" fan is finding the bright side in every questionable situation presented. But that is doing your team a great disservice. Just as a good Patriot is someone who questions his government, a good fan is not afraid to disagree with a move that the GM makes, and a good fan is not afraid to call it.


It's one thing to say that you like a particular player. In some way, I like all of the players that came off the board for the Giants so far. Where and under what circumstances the came off the board, not so much. You cant just turn on your blinders and ignore the process that is the draft.


There is a reason that players are ranked. There is a reason that a college player appeals to the draft board and gets a draft grade before he comes out. There is a reason that there are consensus boards. There is a reason that certain positions go up and certain positions go down. If a team is going to ignore the stock market-like aspects of the draft and just take the players they like the most, why even have a draft at all? Why wouldn't you just have teams bid for the players they like?


What I see right now is that the rest of the NFL is playing one game, and the Giants are playing another. There is an Al Davis-like feeling to how the Giants have worked this draft so far. They're in their own world.  

fast_eddie
fast_eddie

While I was pretty happy taking Beckham and Richburg in Rounds 1 and 2 and can see how they can contribute almost immediately, there is nobody that can tell me that Bromley was the best player available in Round 3 when he was not projected to be taken until Round 6. That pick gave the draft term "reach" new meaning. The fact he was a "team captain" means very little to me. There are dozens of good players who were drafted that were not captains. We were supposed to shy away from projects and upside guys, instead focusing on players who could hit the ground running. If they like Bromley fine, but liking him in in Round 5 is different than liking him in Round 3 when they could if picked up a better player in another area of need. Where is the "value" here? Reese has made more than his share of mistakes the past 3 drafts so my confidence is not high with him at the moment. I hope he proves me wrong since I don't watch nearly the amount of film that he does, nor am I in the interview room analyzing a players character. Its not my job to pick the right players, it's his. And it will be his job to lose if he whiffs on yet another draft where had a real chance to improve our team. In Reese we trust? Not anymore my friend...

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

Would like to see them add McGill and L'damian Washington.

Chris Molloy
Chris Molloy

@jwill We will see how these kids develop, Graziano hates the Giants organization so his views are slanted. Comparing anything the Giants have done with Al Davis is childish, but that who ESPN has assigned to cover the Giants. His views are worthless. I like the picks, but I also thought Marvin Austin was a good pick and that did not work out. 

thehat
thehat

@fast_eddie  I didn't like the Beckham pick, especially when a guys like Lee and Donte Moncrief last into the 2nd and late 3rd rounds.  They could have been "safe" in round one with Martin or gone with Donald....or just traded back a few spots knowing that some teams liked Donald (Cowboys, Bears had been rumored to want Donald from go) and still drafted Beckham.  Even if it was only for an extra 3rd rounder.  


Round 2 agreed. I like Richburg.  Some people may call that pick a bit of a reach, but he's the best center in the draft and can play guard, again a little like Martin where its okay to pay a little extra for some useful versatility.  


3rd round then could have went with a WR and still had someone within striking distance of Beckham's skills.  Bromley was an awful value pick.  I wouldnt have even been too upset if he was a 4th round pick, but he clearly was not BPA during the 3rd....not even close to the BPA at his own position.  It doesn't even have anything to do with whether Bromley ends up as a good player or not, its all about playing draft value.  If you're going to reach a bit for a need, at least reach for the best guy at a specific position (like Richburg)  

jwill
jwill

@Chris Molloy @jwill  The quote at the top is a Graziano tweet. The rest is mine. 


Again, I will stress, it's not an issue of how the players develop. That's you looking at the situation in a vacuum. 


How the players develop and contribute is one conversation. Whether they are good or bad players is a seperate conversation. How the Giants worked this draft is another.


Plentry of good draft picks that have gone south and plenty of reaches have been successful in the NFL.


As far as the Al Davis comparison, it's valid. Davis was hyper-focused on speed. Because of that, he often reached several rounds for players that were not worthy of their place in the draft. And the organization is still recovering from that.


I've never seen a team work a draft so badly as the Giants did for the first half of this draft. It's simply atrocious.   

spider43
spider43

@Chris Molloy....  At least you are honest. I liked the Marvin Austin pick at the time myself because it represented a good gamble and VALUE for a 1st round talent who fell into the 2nd round. The player unfortunately didn't work out for whatever reason. I don't "hate" Reese when this kind of situation happens. What I don't like is when he picks players that he rates higher than everyone else and THEN they don't work out.  I'm not convinced Bromley was a 3rd round player. It was a wasted opportunity to pick someone who could make an immediate impact for the team. Bromley is now #5 on the depth chart at DT. THAT was worth a HIGH 3rd round choice?  No.


Bromley will not start over Hankins, and probably not over Kuhn either. If I remember seeing this correctly, Bromley was rated the 20th best DT in the draft. When there were at least a dozen other DT's who were rated better, why pick the 20th rated one in the 3rd round? Wouldn't have picking the 5th or 6th rated RB or TE have been a better use of that pick, those were areas of need as well?


This isn't aimed at you Chris, believe what you want. I'm just astounded by those who agree with Reese no matter what the results are... like it's wrong to have a different opinion that calls into question Reese's ability to manage a draft.

spider43
spider43

@thehat @fast_eddie  .....  Absolutely 100% AGREE.  Bromley wasn't even the BPA of his own position. I couldn't have said it better myself.

manchu
manchu

@jwill @spider43

Petrus was picked in the 5th which is where he was supposed to go... Dillard was a monumental bust in the 4th rd, no question.. 6th and 7th rounders are where your raw talent and projects are usually picked.

Chris Molloy
Chris Molloy

@jwill @Chris Molloy The last 20 years of his life Al Davis turned the Raiders into a joke. I agree the Giants have not drafted well recently, but not to that degree. I think the Giants have out smarted themselves in recent drafts going away from taking solid picks and trying to hit a Home Run each pick. This year they are trying to make solid picks. I do agree if they wanted Bromley they should of traded back.

jwill
jwill

@spider43  Exactly, ask any of the blind Reese followers to take inventory of where his picks are and they will get real reluctant. Here's 2010:


JPP: Star

Joseph: Deserved, but never got  second contract

Chad Jones: Out of league due to accident

Dillard: Reach: Out of the league

Petrus: Reach: Never panned out

Adrian Tracy: Reach: Never panned out

Matt Dodge: gone


That's 3.5 years ago and there's only one player left from an entire draft class.

manchu
manchu

@spider43

JPP was drafted in 2010.. the 2nd rd pick was none other than Linval Joseph, who we can all agree was a good player. Chad Jones was almost killed in a car crash, Mitch Petrus was ok for where he was picked in the 5th rd. Adrian Tracy was a bust as well as Matt Dodge. The biggest blunder of the draft was Phillip Dillard, who only played in 7 games, so yeah he screwed the pooch with that pick.

spider43
spider43

@jwill....  Although it could be argued that he did even worse in the draft that brought in JPP. I think that was the draft they got JPP, correct? 2010 or 2011? One of those drafts. I'm not taking the time to go back and look. The point is still valid. Every player from that draft is gone except JPP.