NFL Draft Confidential: Texans, Rams open for business; Mayock on the Giants

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

The NFL Draft is just five days away. The anticipation has been at peak levels for weeks now and the cathartic moments will come fast and furious beginning Thursday night at Radio City Music Hall. The schedule:

8:00 PM ET, Thursday, May 8 (Round 1). 10 minutes per selection.
7:00 PM ET, Friday, May 9 (Rounds 2-3). Round 2: 7 minutes per selection. Round 3: 5 minutes.
Noon ET, Saturday, May 10 (Rounds 4-7). 5 minutes per selection.

The first round will conclude on Thursday by approximately 11:30 PM ET. In 2013, the first round consumed three hours and 33 minutes. The second and third rounds will conclude on Friday by approximately 11:00 PM ET. The second and third rounds took three hours and 55 minutes in 2013. The draft will conclude by approximately 7:30 PM ET on Saturday with the final four rounds. Rounds 4 through 7 took seven hours and 26 minutes in 2013.

The buzz…the Houston Texans are seriously considering trading the top overall selection. Texans owner Bob McNair dished on the virtues of what a package of picks could do for a rebuilding franchise. (PFT)

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen believes the Rams may be targeting QB Johnny Manziel with the No. 2 overall pick, which would then lead to a trade of former No. 1 overall pick Sam Bradford. From Rotoworld:

“I believe their interest is serious,” added Mort. “There are people who believe they could take him at No. 2.” There is increasing buzz surrounding St. Louis’ volatile quarterback position, where with a $14.015 million salary, Sam Bradford is arguably the most overpaid player in football. Installing Manziel as their starter, and moving on from Bradford, would save the Rams roughly $7 million in immediate cap space while adding a dynamic dual-threat under center, building up the offense in division-rivals San Francisco and Seattle’s likeness.

As for the Giants, NFLN’s Mike Mayock had this to say about Big Blue on a conference call yesterday:

“I think the logical three candidates for them are either Zack Martin, Eric Ebron or the wide receiver Evans. I’m not sure how this draft is going to fall. I know that you can take Zack Martin. Of course, they signed Charles Brown and John Jerry. But Martin could play guard, he could play center, he could play tackle. If he’s there, and I don’t think he’s going to be, will the wideout Evans be there, I think there’s a good chance he won’t be. I look at it and go where Eric Ebron goes. I think that would be a great pick. They need somebody in today’s world, I don’t care if it’s wideout or tight end, I just want an offensive weapon, and that’s what he is.”




27 comments
bleedblue4
bleedblue4

1) Trade back draft Martin

2) Benjamin ( Convert to TE )


Would love to have seen Cooks in this new offense but ain't going to happen. 

mcfly
mcfly

Assuming that our top targets are off the board (which is very realistic) who would you take?

HaHa

Pryor

Martin

Barr

Gilbert/Dennard (one will be available)

Ealy

Mosley

Ford

Beckham

Personally, I would want to trade down - but for the sake of argument I would choose between HaHa and Pyror. I prefer Pyror, who needs more work than HaHa but is a true SS and no major past health issues.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

TE Ebron is OVER RATED...

Ebron is Compared to TE V. Davis...

But, this is WRONG,

yes they are Both 6'4", 250lbs,

But,

TE V. Davis is the FASTest Player on the Field EVERY time he steps on it !!!

He ran 4.38, 40 yard Dash...

TE Ebron ran a 4.60, 40 yard dash....

thats a Big Difference....

TE Ebron a RED ZONE Threat ???

he Had 3 TD's in 2013, only 1 was caught in the ENDZONE,

one was a 60+ yard Break Away....

TE J. Amaro is 6'5" 265lbs and runs 4.76, 40 yard Dash...

Amaro is the BEST Route Running TE by Far,

Better than MOST WR's in the Draft....

and he can BLOCK, Yep Watch the Tape,,,

He can also be had in the early 2nd Round thats VALUE !!!

thatfunk
thatfunk

I think Ebron is going to fall into late teens or early 20's on draft day, unless the Bills or Lions think he's the answer at 9/10. 

jwill
jwill

I've hardly been following, but I Had to do at least one Giants Mock for season. Here goes:


NY Giants 2014 Mock Draft

1. C.J. Mosely – ILB – Alabama

Really, just take the best non-QB that falls here. I get the feeling that teams are looking past Mosely, but considering there will be at least 1 reach out of nowhere, at least one QB reach, and several QBs that are overvalued, I expect that some serious talent will fall. Whether Lewan is in that category, only the Giants can say. But we can all admit that his crimes have not been victimless ones. If the Giants do decide on Lewan, they have to make sure they have a plan around his character and development.

2. Morgan Moses – OT – Virginia

Big player, fills a need, high level of competition. If he’s over-drafted, better players will fall.

3. Jared Abbrederis – WR – Wisconsin

I keep reading about how this guy is the greatest route runner of all time. Imagine if the Giants had a WR who could out-fundamental Mr. Fundamental? He’s got some size and a little speed to him as well.

4. Caraun Reid – DT – Princeton

This guy just looks mean. From what I’ve seen on tape, if he played for Florida, he’d be in the first round of the draft.

5. Will Clark – DE – West Virginia

He was a disruptive presence in all-star games. Big guy. Could be the next Justin Tuck.

5. Marion Grice – RB – Arizona State

Here’s a good all-around RB, with size, some speed, and receiving ability.

6. Terrance Bullit – LB – Texas Tech

Found him on a sleeper list.

PFA – Jeff Janis – WR – Saginaw Valley State

Great triangle numbers and dominant in a lesser division.

PFA – Colt Lyerla – TE – Oregon

To me, the UDFA market is where you should cherry-pick the character risks, guys who have big talent but fall for their character concerns. Lyerla would be an early rounder were it not for that.

PFA – Gator Haskin – TE – Marshall

H-back anyone? I think McAdoo would like Haskins because there’s potential to use him all over the field and in a number of different positions.

PFA – Kona Schwenke – DT – Notre Dame

Another sleeper for dept. I read that he has much untapped potential.

jwill
jwill

I dont see how the Giants can pass on Mosely, Barr, or Matthews, if they're there. To me, that would be more of the tempting fate that has gotten them out of the playoffs in the last two seasons.


Last year, my biggest cant-miss players were Lutuleli, Demontre Moore, and Sheldon Richardson. Well they never had a chance at the two who became great DTs. The other fell to the third round and I think is going to be a great player. But I cant blame them for that one.

However, considering the Giants free agency and current needs, think about this: They passed on: Desmond Trufant CB, Xavier Rhodes CB, Datone Jones DT/DE, Bjoern Werner DE,  Shariff Floyd DT, Tyler Eiffert TE, DeAndre Hopkins WR, Cordarelle Patterson WR. There's something to this: how many players the Giants passed on in one draft, whose positions became needs in the next off-season.

There are enough rounds in the draft and enough free agents waiting to shake loose, that Reese doesn't have to over-think this pick. Just take the best player who falls and is not a QB. And, as I always say, drafts become less top-heavy every year. You can get a star in every round if you know what you're doing.

fast_eddie
fast_eddie

So now Mayock thinks Zack Martin will be gone too by the time we pick? He's the first "expert" I heard or read that thinks that is possible. Most writers thinks he would go between 12 and 18. There are only eleven picks before us...so he's basically saying it's possible that Lewan, Evans, Donald, Martin, Ebron are all off the board by the 12th pick. I guess it still depends on how many QBs get taken in top 11. Anyway, the draft can't get here soon enough...

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@bleedblue4  From what I'm hearing Martin may be gone before the Giants select, so they won't be trading back for him. Benjamin is falling fast in this draft and has even been compared to Ramses Barden by some. He's being downgraded by the day, that's why he stopped going to work out for teams or even meeting with them. Lots of concerns with him.

jwill
jwill

@bleedblue4 You know, that's an interesting idea about Benjamin. He'd have to learn to get off the line against much larger players, no small deal. But I imagine he generally does the same thing as Ebron.

jwill
jwill

@mcfly Mosely and Barr's are much higher than the other guys. Other guys I think you would consider trading back for.

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@Skookaloop Both will be long gone before the Giants second round pick. Amaro goes late 1st wouldn't be shocked to see NE grab him. Especially with the uncertainty of Gronk.

jwill
jwill

@Skookaloop Davis is also a great blocker. Ebron doesn't block at all.

thatfunk
thatfunk

@Skookaloop  


But is it really good value? We need immediate impact players from day 1 with whoever we choose in the 1st and 2nd round. I don't want to take anything away from Amaro because he is an excellent player with plenty of upside....buttttttttt


Name a TE whose had an immediate impact for his team from day 1 in the past 10 years...Rob Gronkowski may be the only one. 


I think it's best to wait until round 4 to address TE position. Address the lines in the first two rounds (assuming Evans is off the board), skill players in the middle, and projects late. Just my opinion..

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@jwill  I don't see the Giants taking Mosley simply because they only use two LBs most of the time. The Giants are three safety defense, a 4-2-5, if you will. With Beason, McClain, Paysinger and Jaquian they are sufficiently covered at LB under this scheme and they've proved it worked last season. If they draft Mosley and make him one of the five, I can see that, but Cooper Taylor is being rumored to be the "centerfielder" of the defense this year. 

Peter Sinapi
Peter Sinapi

Moseley would be the recharge that you are talking about. I like Moses too.

thatfunk
thatfunk

@jwill  

I love Mosley but I don't see the Giants going LB at #12. Moses is a monster! Love his size and I've been reading how he's shooting up draft boards. 


Whoever we get at 12, needs to provide an immediate impact from day 1. We're sitting pretty if 1 QB gets drafted in the top 11. I think we can't miss if two quarterbacks get drafted in the top 11. 

mcfly
mcfly

Martin will still be there, very unlikely that Lewan or Evans will be, Donald and Ebron are maybes . I've said it about a dozen times now, it's time to try to make a move down (more likely than up).

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@bleedblue4 @Skookaloop  

Yes,

the Pats could Take TE J. Amaro...

it's a GOOD Fit .....

Brady would VERY VERY Happy.....

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@thatfunk @Skookaloop I stay away from TE all together, Finley and Keller are both still out there and I take both over anything in this draft. This is A-Robs year to prove his worth if he shows to be injury prone or just can't hack it they can let him go and draft a TE next year.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@thatfunk @Skookaloop  

I was unclear,

the VALUE i meant was,

if the GIANTs went TE.... DON'T do it in the 1st Round....

and if the NYG's went:

1st. LT- T. Lewan / DT- A. Donald

2nd. TE- J. Amaro

That would be good Value...

but I'm with You.... TE in the 4th or later


thatfunk
thatfunk

@Peter Sinapi  


I can see Mosley being an immediate impact player, I'm a big fan of his game. I just don't see the Gmen going LB at #12. 


I'm not a pro scout by any means, but is the drop off from Mosley to a player like Shazier that much? Shazier is projected end of round 1. 

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@thatfunk @jwill No way Giants go LB at 12 they have shown us every year that they don't value LB that highly in the draft. I'd also go James from Tenn over Moses.

jwill
jwill

@thatfunk @jwillThanks for feedback. I wouldnt pass on Mosely at 12 if I had 3 perfect LBs on my team. But I'm happy for them to just be smart and take the best player that falls.

jwill
jwill

@thatfunk @Peter SinapiThat's an interesting point. Both playmakers. Mosely has more up top and comes from a championship pedigree, something that cant be taught right? 

Mosely can play the middle. Most people will say that Beason has the middle. I say its 2014 and you have a MLB who cant cover TEs or receivers, a guy who has to come out on 3rd downs.


I love Shazier, so I'd be very happy if the Giants took him in the draft. These LBs already on the team are getting good too. Adding either of these guys should have a huge impact on the team.


Another thing to consider, I dont thing Shazier will be there in the middle of round 2.

jwill
jwill

@bleedblue4 Well when have they had access to a LB of Mosely's caliber? The closest would be Ogletree. And they could have def. used him last season. 


They did take Sintim in the 2nd round, which I thought was a good pick.


Ultimately you cant say what they "Will" do. The Giants are all over the place when you look at their draft history. There's no one pattern that fits exactly right. But they do have enough freedom right now to do what they did the year they drafted Prince, just take the best player that falls. If It's Mosely, Reese cant be that dumb to let that kind of prospect get past him without jumping on it, unless an even better guy is there.