Mosley says he’s an option for Giants in Round One

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

I’m not buying into Conor Orr’s report that the Giants are interested in Alabama LB CJ Mosley with the No. 12 pick in Round One tonight. Not that I don’t trust Conor’s work — he’s a good reporter — it’s just that I don’t think taking Mosley is the best use of that selection.

USATSI_7705674_110579513_lowresUnless… they change their defensive scheme. Last year, they played five defensive backs on nearly 40 percent of the snaps. In Week 16 vs the pass-happy Lions, the Giants employed five DBs on 100 percent of the snaps. Yes, they played most of the season out of their 4-3 base.

MLB Jon Beason was the centerpiece of the defense once he took over at MLB in mid-October, so he rarely left the field. Spencer Paysinger played 61 percent of the snaps, Jacquian Williams 53 percent and Keith Rivers 37 percent.

Is that because the team felt they had more talent at DB than they had at LB? Perhaps. But the reality is, the Giants favor the 4-2-5 and drafting Mosley would displace one of those incumbents or newcomer Jameel McClain, who the Giants just signed to a 2-year deal in March.

Now, it’s been bandied about that the Giants were toying with Cooper Taylor as a real option at safety this season, especially now that Will Hill is likely to be suspended. If Mosley comes in, that plan would probably be scratched, especially if Mosley proves he can cover backs and TEs as well as advertised.

Mosley should only be the choice if all four of the big offensive lineman, Aaron Donald, Mike Evans, Odell Beckham and Eric Ebron are gone. Then there is the possibility that Mosley could be gone, too.


 

What to expect tonight….

Round One will be an impact player. A player who will be Pro Bowl-caliber. In short, the best player available. There should be plenty for them to choose from as we’ve been detailing for the past three months. You can always count on a blue-chipper falling as there are bound to be some knuckleheaded moves made by some of the teams in front of them.

I fully expect the Giants to bring another safety or CB into the fold this weekend. If Deone Bucannon is there for them in Round Two or Three, I feel they will take him. Rounds 2-3 could also bring them a TE or a center, but we’ll dwell more on that tomorrow.





76 comments
Chris Ditullio
Chris Ditullio

my favorite is everyone's analytical insight on Porzingis, especially with seeing him in ZERO GAMES!

tw22
tw22

Its prbably the right move but as usual those two clowns on ESPN don't understand how the world works. There is no scenario where the Knicks can get full value for Carmelo. Neither can they find a team that would be willing to take on his salary for the kind of game he has. Phoenix mught be the place or the Clippers but beyond but even then we are getting the jack end of the deal.

blackwood1
blackwood1

Blog porn for the Melo haters lol, that said I have always been team over player no matter who the player is. The madness & level of blinding hate for the guy (like we win a ring with Gallo lol) speaks to the extremist mentality this country has devolved to. 


It's laughable to think we can't get a ton for Melo, this is not some washed up walking injury like amare. Ironically the team i feel would most fit as a trade partner are the suns.


A ton of young talent (to much in fact) just missing the superstar go to guy. If it were a dead set plan to move Melo I call the suns & offer exclusive 48hr negotiations & hammer it out, Bledsoe along with PJ Tucker & Archie Goodwin & a first rd pick they get Melo & Take Calderon. That would be the baseline of the deal.


Suns starting 5


Knight

Bullock

Melo

Morris 

Len


That team makes a real run in the west & the would not even feel the trade.


Knicks end up with dynamic guard rotation all very young & even more cap space then before. That said I'm not in the trade Melo lynch mob but if at some point it makes the most sense this season for all parties then so be it.


BTW gasol is NOT leaving the grizz unless its for a slam dunk shot at a ring, if the bulls were smart they would offer a sign & trade with the grizz Butler & Noah plus a pick for gasol green & allen but that's another story.

John Munro
John Munro

@blackwood1 Melo is coming off of surgery and is a max deal now is not the time to trade him. First lets see what we can sign during free agency the east is weak it is possible we can sign 2 or 3 players to compete with next year.


And reguardless of what we sign in free agency wait till next season for Melo to show he can bounce back from surgery to trade him. Look at what we got for Chandler last season during the off season and look at what mozgov got during the season. 


Wait for a team to see Melo play well and feel he is the missing piece and get greedy

blackwood1
blackwood1

@John Munro Like i said im not calling for the trade just saying if it ended up being best it would be easy to do.

tw22
tw22

@blackwood1 I live in Tuscon and see a lot of Suns basketball. Removing Bledsoe from that roster would cripple them. It would be a bad deal for them. And since Bledsoe and the Pick are the only parts of the deal that have any worth why would Phoenix do it. They would made a trade for the fourth pick and if you could have made the above deal prior to the draft then maybe, but there is no way the Suns make a deal like this.

Why would you trade Noah in a package for Gasol? You might as cut out the teams heart and presence.

blackwood1
blackwood1

@tw22 @blackwood1 they have Knight who they just resigned so Bledsoe becomes a luxury at a stacked position & while he is a star he is not a superstar. If you cant see the starting 5 i listed for them post hypothetical trade for the better balanced and better team that it is then i cant really think of what other way I can clear it up for you other then to say again that they are a young talented team devoid of a legit superstar to put them over the top.


As for Gasol, c'mon you seem like a sharpe guy are you telling me you cant see why the bulls would be better with the Gasol brothers & Rose along with Green & Allen? 


Or are you asking why Memphis would do the trade? If so simply put I don't think they would want to but if for some reason they want to try another path seeing as they just can't get over the hump as is, well then getting the best 2 way sg in the league & a very solid C in Noah along with a first rd pick is a good we to restart as a franchise but thats just my humble opinion.

Abdo Esa
Abdo Esa

Call me crazy but the best landing place for Melo would be cleavland. LeBron would welcome Melo to play with him. That would be a crazy 1 2 punch... would they give up kyrie or would it be a sign and trade for love?

John Munro
John Munro

@Abdo Esa  there not gonna trade irving for Melo. and even if we didnt have porzingis i would rather have melo than love. porzingis and love would be an awful defensive unit. but even without Porzingis I dont want love over Melo. Love isnt the answer for us to rebuild

John Munro
John Munro

One thing I dont understand is all this talk about Aldridge. I dont see the Knicks being a contender with Aldridge. Where better off signing Lopez and a couple other players. 


Aldridge Porzingis and Melo would be an awful combo defensively. You need to put a real Shot blocking defensive C around those 2. 

John Munro
John Munro

@lindro88 @John Munro If he goes to San Antonio than would San Antonio be able to offer Leonrd the max? 


Cause Leonard is the number 1 player I want in this free agency outside of gasol 


I have doubts that even if Aldridge doesnt go to SA that SA would give Leonard the max but if he does go there that should mean we could go after Leonard which would immidietly make us a great destination if we could somehow pull of getting Leonard along with a mix of Jordan or Lopez and West

John Munro
John Munro

They should look to trade him but not during the off season unless we get something ridiculous. He's coming off of surgery and his overall value is at an all time low. Wait for him to come back next year and put up a couple 30 point games than see what value he has. 


Ive heard from a reliable source in the NBA the Knicks think they have a shot of signing Gasol, because of Pao's relationship with Phil along with all the spanish players they have and how well he would fit in the triangle. If somehow Phil can earn his money and sign Gasol than I would absolutely not trade Melo. And I do think Porzingis will pleasnatly surprise people this year. He has a 7'6 wingspan he will be a good shot blocker this year and with his athletisism and shooting ability it wouldnt  surprise me to see him score 12 points a game with a couple block shots, not to mention the matchup and spacing nightmare he would create for defenses. 


Same if we can sign Deandre Jordan, and demare Carol I would not trade Melo. Considering how weak the East is it's very possible the Knicks could compete next year. give me a lineup of 


Gasol/Jordan

Porzingis

Melo

Carol

Grant 


That would be an elite defensive unit and a tough offensive unit to defend with all the spacing. At a lesser extent if you get 

Lopez

Porzingis/West

Melo

Carol 

Grant 

I would still take my chances against the weak East I think that team could beat Chicago or Miami and than we have 20 million to spend next summer to improve the roster. 


If we strike out this summer and end up with nothing than look to trade Melo before the deadline. 

lindro88
lindro88

@John Munro  The second one is more realistic. I can't see anyway Gasol comes here. 

John Munro
John Munro

@lindro88 @John Munro me neither but apparently the Knicks think they have a shot. but the reason i like the second one is  West and Carol are both very tough defensive players. so I wouldnt mind a line up of  Porzingis West Melo and Carol on the floor if we wanted to play small ball. And Carol can guard 2-4 so I really think the Knicks should go after him hard I dont care if he demands 12 million a year give it to him. He's the perfect type of player for us.


He can guard 2-4 knock down 3's rebound and he hustle dive for lose balls hell  gives you that toughness we need he'd immidietly be a fan favorite

towlie22
towlie22

Should have sign and traded for Butler and Gibson last year. Not sure what you can get now until Melo gets on the Court and proves his knee is fine. Also don't know if he wants to bet traded and who he would wave his no trade for. As far as resigning Melo had to do that unless you did the above sign and trade. Definitely would not trade Melo now, I would take my time see what's offered, key not to allow Melo, Stephen Smith and his agents who are one and the same, dictate the terms.

fourwedges
fourwedges

Yes.   Melo is a super talent, but Yes the Knicks should trade him and I feel that they will sometime of the next 2 years.

fourwedges
fourwedges

@Stacey Pickett Its going to take more than a "Slightly-Tilted stylistic white hat" for me to take you seriously.

mikeNYM
mikeNYM

Depends what they do with this free agency, can they sign D. Jordan away from the Clippers or Aldridge away from Portland and maybe a SG, if so than they could possibly contend, if not than it depends on the offers they get. Phil needs to surround him with enough talent to compete. 

Mexican Food Farts
Mexican Food Farts

The sooner this team moves on from Melo the sooner they will have a chance at contending for a championship.  As much as I would love to see it,  Melo is never going to win a title.  Trade him now so we can bring back a solid young player (D-Russ) and some picks.  

nyoak34
nyoak34

This is entirely the wrong question to ask. The real question is - Can the Knicks GET anything for Melo ? I don't see any reasonable deals that would give the Knicks value unless he's prepared to lower his standards for waiving the NT. Maybe if Boston is able to land one or two studs they can convince Melo to go there but other than that, where's the fit ? His list of acceptable teams is likely quite short. Trading for Melo was a bad idea. Re-signing him was a bad idea. That said, I don't see us getting worthwhile pieces in any trade at this point. Maybe the Clippers would do a S&T with Jordan but where does that put us ? Bulls are going to match Butler so that's out. I'm sure they'd do a Rose for Melo swap. Any takers ? No. I don't see the Lakers giving up their youth. Cleveland has nothing to offer except maybe a S&T for Love. I'd have taken Love if he opted in for a one year run but not on a new deal. Houston ? For what ? Any trade would have to be to a team with cap space and young quality players or picks. Good luck trying to find a deal. Miami ? No. S&T for Gasol ? Yeah, right. 

nyoak34
nyoak34

Maybe you could deal with the Bulls IF you're willing to take back Noah. He only has one year left so that could be workable. No way they're giving up Mirotic though...maybe Noah, Gibson and a pick that will turn out to be late first round in 2016.

fourwedges
fourwedges

@nyoak34 But think of it another way ... many people said they should have never resigned Melo.  In that case the Knicks would have lost him for nothing / zero value.  At least resigning him allows the Knicks to trade him for assets.

I would say a very good young player, a solid rotation player,  and a future #1 pick (not protected) is enough for Melo.

Stacey Pickett
Stacey Pickett

Hell NO! MELO NOT GOING ANYWAY SCRUB! How bout you pick another squad like the cross town Nats!

nyoak34
nyoak34

@fourwedges @nyoak34 I'm in complete agreement and I hope that was actually Phil's plan to begin with....but, the point remains, WHERE do you get that deal now ? I don't see it happening.

fourwedges
fourwedges

@nyoak34 @fourwedges I have to give that some more thought (look at the make-up of the other teams). But initially the Wizards (melo's 2nd hometown) and the Clippers look like decent trade partners,  They have assets and they need that 'extra push' to advance in the playoffs.

nyoak34
nyoak34

@fourwedges @nyoak34 Clippers are over the cap so the salaries would have to match. The only option there is Jordan and I don't see him coming if Melo is gone. I hadn't considered the Wiz. Maybe there's a match there.

Ivan Lebron
Ivan Lebron

@Stacey Pickett

Why do you keep replying the same thing after everyone's post? It's getting annoying. Can fans of the team express their opinion without you harassing them? If trading Melo gets us into contention im all for it. I'm a Knicks fan not a Melo FANBOY.

Spree8
Spree8

If Melo is going to spend the upcoming season in sulk mode, by all means a trade should be engineered. You have to wonder if his unhappiness has been exaggerated by the likes of Stephen A. Smith.

fourwedges
fourwedges

@Spree8 Stephen A. is always one day (or comment) away from unemployment.

MauiCocktails
MauiCocktails

Ugh, the Knicks are a disaster. I am still a fan though.....still a fan.

wingo43
wingo43

Of course.  It was a mistake to resign him.

Tim Tallcouch
Tim Tallcouch

Best for both the team and Melo. It's not that I dont like Melo but the fit here is not for him. Total rebuild, which is the right way to go. People may knock Phil for signing Melo last Summer but it is a great move since you could of let him walk for nothing or get some pieces as an asset moving forward. I would love Washington's Beal, Porter and a 2016 #1. I like what the Clippers could offer, sign and trade for Jordan, JJ Reddick and a 2016 #1. Maybe Chicago for Gibson, Mirotic, Hinrich and 2016 #1.

Stacey Pickett
Stacey Pickett

You BUGGING! MELO better than the whole entire Washington squad! What a dumb suggestion! And you guys call yourselves basketball fans! Ha!

lindro88
lindro88

@Stacey Pickett  The Knicks would drive Melo  to DC if they could pick up Brad Beal. What are you Melo's limo driver or something?

Stacey Pickett
Stacey Pickett

Your need to quit LISTENING to ESPN SPEWING LIES! Of course many of you clowns buying into it because your HATERS!!! Smh

Stacey Pickett
Stacey Pickett

Betcha dumb self he's not going NOWHERE! Hahaha scrub

lindro88
lindro88

@Stacey Pickett  He isn't going anywhere.  While he's here we can watch them try to win 40 games.  I like Melo, but he had his opportunity to go to a winning team and he took the big money.  I don't blame him.  Going to another team while Lebron is in the East is probably a waste of time anyway.  He realized the money is a sure thing, winning a title is longshot. That being said, he took his money, now he cant complain about how they decide to build the team around him.  I'm giving you an intelligent response despite the fact you generally answer with, "get a new team scrub"  Believe me, if it was easy to just snap my fingers and become a fan of a new team, I would. 

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

I think melo has no right to say anything being he took the knicks money last summer when he had a chance to get out...tell him to get his ass on the phone and start recruiting people to come here.

Spree8
Spree8

Why does The Knicks Blog often get hijacked by people blabbering about football?

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@Spree8 it imports old Giants posts from predraft for some reason. You would think they would be able to fix that....