Mara opposed to expanded playoffs

Giants President John Mara is opposed to expanding the playoffs from 12 to 14 teams.

“I’m in the minority. I’m against it,” Mara said (Paolantonio via Samuel, May 20).

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is one of those in favor of the expansion. During an interview on Monday, Jones said a bigger playoff pool “would help my Cowboys” (Coppinger, May 19).

The owners are discussing expanding the NFL playoffs at the Spring league meetings this week.


Update – 11:52 a.m.: The owners discussed playoff expansion, but did not vote. They are aiming to discuss before the 2015 season (Garafolo, May 20).





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nyminute
nyminute

West to sign with Spurs veterans minimum 1.5 mil

nyminute
nyminute

Word is around the league the knicks have contacted Smith and Shved on possible returns. Dont know how they can manage to sign both, seeing they dont receive better offers from other teams

Kim Harris
Kim Harris

First off Knicks can not trade Melo without his approval. Secondly, where are you trading him to and for what return?Trading Melo today for two unproven 20year old make no sense. Also salaries would have to balance out. This discussion is at least two years away! Like the 100+ millions he received, no trade clause was incentive to have the best player in NY at that time! Melo is the franchise face and was paid what was offered. If the Knicks did not believe this he would not be here! I am sure that many of us wish we were paid our worth in our chosen careers.

John Munro
John Munro

how the hell are the Cavs a small market team going to be able to afford this huge tax hit there going to have


Shump-40 million

Thompson at 80 million


and than 4 max contracts if they get joe johnson. There tax penalty alone is going to be twice as much as there payroll

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro there are many revenue streams for successful teams with huge stars. it's not 1950 where teams almost totally rely on ticket sales...

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@nyoak34 @starksoakmase @John Munro absolutely, but it would be for any NBA team, not just a "small market" team. I don't think the location of a team has as much relevance in terms of their ability to make money as it once did. That was my point. Having said that, I don't think they bring in Joe Johnson....I don't think he fits their team at all, especially at that price....

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @nyoak34 @John Munro but OKC could have kept Harden, Durant, Westbrooke and Ibaka but they traded harden cause they didnt think they could afford all that luxury tax. 


Imagine if they had those 4 plus Kanter thats crazy. They would have had 5 all stars. 


I didnt think any team in the league otuside of a couple markets would be able to afford to pay 100 million in luxury tax like the Nets did last season. 

nyoak34
nyoak34

@starksoakmase Hopefully, he's healthy enough to do so. You have to think he can at least contribute 15-20 mins off the bench as a shooter. If his stroke is as good as many seem to think, it's unblockable. And at that size, he should be able to easily see over the D for open passes. He's gotta be able to hit 3s at a good clip though, otherwise I'd say he's in for a long year.

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@nyoak34 @starksoakmase health will be a major factor for the knicks this year. building chemistry is vital to being able to call this year a success. Progress will go beyond wins and losses, so have to have these guys playing together. of course, more wins than losses wouldn't hurt either....

Bklyn Dude
Bklyn Dude

I'm sure Phil would've liked to have signed at least one top Free Agent to go with Carmelo.

But since that didn't happen, we did the next best thing which was draft young players with upside for the future and draft good role players for the upcoming season. 

We signed a center that can defend the paint 'IF" players blow by Calderon and Anthony. We signed Arron Afflalo to replace JR Smith as the teams number two scorer. Kyle O'Quinn gives us some length and toughness on defense and Derrick Williams is another young guy with upside.

The Knicks might not be a contender next season but the team should be able to compete with most teams as Porzingas and Grant develop during the season and make the team watchable again as the team should be around .500 this season.

John Munro
John Munro

i do like  way this kid looks (Maurice Ndour) and his size looking forward to seeing him and porzingis play in summer league

mrxman
mrxman

I am not going to blame media for what happen after we drafted Porzinges. I am a fan who takes that extra step, so i just dont depend on what the ny media feeds me, i take the time to read up on whats going on in bball. About three months before draft if you follow basketball you started hearing the names of Prozinges and Hazonja. I started looking at tapes and  reading up on these two. So it was no surpise to me or any of the experts who put out the mock drafts that these two would easly go in the top ten picks. When Porzinges name was read, our fans who only love to pick names they have heard of started acting like fools. From the 4th pick down it was a matter  of who you like thats how tight the talent was.So you have to leave it up to the guys working these guys out to make the call!!!! AND I going to say this right now, from what i am seeing in the summer league these guys are 19 years old they all are projects!!!! INCLUDING WINSLOW!!

mrfabulous
mrfabulous

@mrxman Porzingis will fill out. He'll be working with the best strength and nutrition guys the Knicks can get him. I would have loved any of the top 3 taken, but I'm happy with who the Knicks got. If Justice Winslow was the next anyone he wouldn't have lasted to 10. Not saying he's garbage, but the Knicks picked a potential franchise player who just needs to eat and lift. I think they did okay. 

nyoak34
nyoak34

@mrfabulous @mrxman As long as we all remember - eating and lifting when you're 7'1'' and thin as a pole are a long term project. You can't just jam on 30 or 40 - it's a long, slow process to do it right.

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@nyoak34 @mrfabulous @mrxman he does at least seem to have a frame that can fill out for whatever that's worth. I mean, we're not talking about sean bradley or manute bol here....

John Munro
John Munro

@mrfabulous @mrxman  you cant say if he was the next anyone he wouldn't have gone 10th. There are plenty of stars in the NBA who where picked outside the top 10. I think Winslow will develop into a better version of iggougdala but probably not as good as Khwai Leonard. But obviously will have to see. This draft had a lot of talent so would it really surprise you if the 15th pick of this draft was over looked and turned out to be a superstar? It happens all the time. Stephon Curry was drafted 7th with Hasheem Thabeet drafted 2nd.

khwai leonard was the 15th pick.


I didn't want porzingis but now I think he will be a very good pick and better than winslow but that doesn't mean I don't think Winslow was the steal of the draft. I think if you want to build with Melo winslow was the pick. If your looking for the future porzingis is the pick. Or if you thought you had a chance to win now than even pick willie stein. I think Winslow and Stein will have the biggest immidiete impact outside of Okafur. but yes porzingis in 3 years has the brightest future. So trade melo for the future.

John Munro
John Munro

@mrfabulous @mrxman  and does it really surprise you a team like the spurs drafted a max player with the 15th pick in the draft. It shows you it really doesn't matter what number you get cause it's so hard to predict talent in the NBA


What does matter is how well your franchise is run. Cause the spurs OKC, Golden State and the Heat seem to do an amazing job every year in the draft.

nyminute
nyminute

@John Munro the Spurs didn't draft Leonard the Pacers did and then they traded Hill for him

John Munro
John Munro

Knick fans are like no other fans in NY it's like they have no opinion on what this franchise should do and just agree with everything they do. If the Knicks drafted Winslow he would have been the next Khwai Leonard but they don't draft him and he's just a role player.


If the Knicks traded for David Lee it would have been the smartest move instead they get oquinn and that was a great move. If they trade Melo it was briilant if they don't trade melo it was briliant. When Jeremy Lin was here he was the future and we couldnt let him go. We let him go and it was the smartest thing we ever did. I've never seen a fan base buy into what a team does no matter what they do. Met, giant, jet and yankee fans all have opinions on what the franchise should and shouldn't do and they don't just buy what the team is selling them. Of course they still root for the team but Met fans know the wilpons are full of it Jet fans know when there team is making mistakes. Eli won two rings and Giant fans still kill eli. But knick fans have no objectivity. Everything Barkley has ever said about the Knicks has been true but we just call him a hater. The Knicks have never proven him wrong they make him look like he's albert Einstein.


When the Knicks won 50 games I was killing the team because they spent 10 years on a rebuild just to get a bunch of 35 year old veterans to compete for 1 year. It was the worst 10 year rebuild I've ever seen but people on here killed me for that. And I knew they wouldn't beat the Pacers or the Heat cause they shot a 3 and switched on defense every time they could.


I wanted the Melo, trade I didn't want porzingis but now I think he will be the best player that we could have gotten. However I don't think he was a good fit for this team because of the aging Melo. If porzingis is going to be a future star start building around him now and the future forget Melo and trying to win now. I don't think Melo will ever win a ring here or bring the Knicks close to the NBA finals. So if he's not the answer trade melo one his value is up for pieces so that Kristaps porzingis sees a promising future here.


For once it would be nice to see Knick fans hold this team accountable and have their own opinion of what this team needs to do. No one on this blog would have been happy if they where told at the end of the season the Knicks would have Lopez at 13 a year for 4 years, Oquinn, and Afflalo. If this roster was any other team in the east no one would believe that was a playoff team.


Have your own opinion if you think Melo can turn this team into a championship i'd love to know how he is going to do that with Porzingis a couple years away and Durant not coming here next summer. and if melo isn't going to win a championship how do we get there and whats the point of keeping him around.




John Munro
John Munro

Everyone on here can agree Porzingis will be a star in the NBA and hopefully the best PF in the league. I think everyone else can agree that Grant will also be a future star in the NBA.


Everyone can also agree that Melo has 2-3 good solid years in his prime and the Knicks aren't going to compete for a championship in the next 2 years. And where not going to get an A list superstar here next summer like Durant. So the goal has to be to trade melo. There is no reason to keep him around for the next 2-3 years


Now is not the time to trade Melo but i'm sure at the deadline a team like the Lakers or Heat will think there one piece away and think Melo will be that piece to win a ring and will be willing to trade for him. I would not trade Melo unless we got back 2 young 20 year old guys still on there first contract who will end up being B level stars AKA( a Munroe or Iggougdala type player).


Those 2 20 year old players have to be a good fit and will develop into there prime with Porzingis and Grant. Porzingis will be the A level star and he will have 3 other stars next to him all of which will develop together. On top of all that you have money two sign 2 B level stars to max contracts next year so now you have 6 players who are all stars, with a core of Early, Lopez, Afflalo, Galoway. They wont win there first year but we could keep that core together for the rest of there career and watch them develop and master the triangle.


or we keep Melo sign 1 b level stars next summer not really have a chance to compete. watch Melo get old and out of his prime and try and start over to build around porzingis once the melo contract is over and hopefully after Melo is gone we can build a team around porzingis if he doesn't leave us in free agency since he doesn't see much hear.

mrfabulous
mrfabulous

@John Munro Trading Melo is the key to rebuilding this franchise. Once he shows he's healthy and all the contracts are tradeable, Phil should begin looking for the best offer. We need picks and players and to erase what trading for Melo did to this franchise - we'll never match what we gave up for him but hopefully we can get building blocks in return. 

John Munro
John Munro

@mrfabulous @John Munro  I wanted melo and i'd probably do that trade all over again. Melo didn't ruin anything the Knicks ruined it.


We never should have amnestied Billups on a 1 year contract. We should have amnestied Amare that's where they went down hill. I like Melo but I do agree you trade Melo at the deadline once his value is up but only for young good players who will fit with Porzingis and Grant.

rico
rico

@John Munro How about we cut Porzngis a break and just let him mature and be what he is before labeling him "future star, steal of the draft, bust" whatever? 


Let him be what he will be.  The other thing pundits were all saying is "10 years down the road could be an allstar" .  Everybody ready to hold off 10 years before they judge his NBA game?


The one thing we should all agree on is that we don't know and time will tell.  

John Munro
John Munro

@rico @John Munro  I have high hopes for Porzingis and im absolutely cutting him a break. I cant wait to see him show his potential next year but i'm not gonna judge him on year 1 or 2 or expect much out of him. Cutting him a break is acknowledging that he has a couple years before he will reach his full potential.


But you absolutely have to believe he's the future of your team and a future star. and look to build around him. The Knicks wouldn't have drafted him 4 if they didn't expect him to be a future star so you have to expect that in year 5 he will be the leader of this team. I'm not looking or expecting the playoffs next year im looking to build a team for the next 10 years and its revolved around porzingis and grant.

bkyguy78
bkyguy78

Watching some Kristaps videos/highlights over the weekend, I couldn't believe how many positive things were being said about him in the week leading up to the draft. Comments by basketball "experts", GMs and well respected journalists. Of course, the second the Knicks pick him, all those positive statements go silent by everyone in the media.

John Munro
John Munro

and for those saying it doesn't matter if we have cap space because we cant sign anyone.


The knicks will be able to sign someone just because we missed out this summer on a weak free agency period means nothing. If Porzinis and Grant show they are future stars in the NBA this year people will want to be apart of this. If you trade melo for 2 more players that will be future stars people will see we have a young core and a future.


Saying that we cant sign anyone and that lopez and oquinn will be a good starting point to attract free agents is ridiculous. there is no need to overreact just because this off season. Show the NBA that you have a good young core of promising players, and cap space to sign 3 max players and players will come. The problem this year is we having nothing to show players. We can only afford 1 max player and the young players we have aren't known.

John Munro
John Munro

but give porzingis and grant a year to show there skills and impress. Trade Melo for 2 other young stars like Porzingis and Grant.


and tell a max player that they can team up with any other free agent they want to in NY and players will come.


The Bucks had a young core, Deandre Jordan teamed up with Mathews.

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro bro, u r just babbling at this point, what two stars r u talking about? If you really want to attract free agents, a healthy melo would do more to convince them that they can win. But this has to go along with a team that looks like its on the upswing. All of the players we have now have upside and hopefully they can mesh...that will attract free agents...

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @John Munro  I don't know which 2 stars I know there are a lot of good players available next summer and I know the bucks signed Munroe because they had a bunch of good young players and I know the Mavs signed Jordan because they paired him up with Mathews


And I disagree with you I don't think a 32 year old Melo is attractive for free agents. I think Porzingis, Grant, and 2 other 20 year old future stars along with the ability to sign 2-3 max players is much more attractive.


So if you sign 2 max players next summer that aren't superstars but the next level down, and pair them with Porzingis, grant, and 2 other young stars similar to porzingis and grant that is a much better team.

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @John Munro  if you could tell an all star next summer I will pair you up with these 2 other stars (who are also free agents) and you will play alongside  Porzingis, Grant and these 2 other young kids who will also be future stars (that we got in the Melo trade)


that is much more attractive. Signing Lopez and these players wont ruin that we can still trade Melo once he gets his value back up and get 2 good young players at the trade deadline and than next summer we will have a team similar to what the bucks have only difference is we will have the ability to sign 2-3 max players.


Show a guy he can win they will come and 4 young 20 year old stars and 2-3 max players with the addition of guys like lopez, afflalo, and Galloway could win and be a good team for the next 10 years.

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro @starksoakmase U dont know anything!!! Monroe went to the Bucks because they offered him the most money, PERIOD. No one else thought he was worth it because hes not that good. Jordan went to Dallas cuz he's from texas and they gave him the max. 

take a look at the free agent list next year, who are they getting with a bunch of cap space and no foundation. please tell me. and what team is Melo agreeing to a trade to that will give us "2 future stars" please tell me or just stop taking up space with nonsense....

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @John Munro  we also offered him a max contract according to a lot of sources. it is well known he chose the bucks because they gave him the best chance to win we absolutely offered him a max.


and the core next year would be porzingis, grant, and 2 other 20 year old future stars. along with the ability to max out on 2-3 players


i'm not saying will get Durant im saying the next level down. get 2 next level down players 2 pair up with 4 good 20 year olds.

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro @starksoakmase monroe. the guy is slower than slow and can't guard anyone, he is not that good at all. have you even seen him play? he is not a difference maker....

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @John Munro  I agree I didn't really want munroe. I said sign players like him. borderline all stars next summer that will be abetter fit.


But to say we cant get second tier stars here is ridiculous. especially if you had a good core of 4 20 year old players that will be future stars.


Where not getting Durant and the A guys I know that but the B guys we could get sign 2-3 B guys next summer who would preferably be 25 years old like Munro's age. and pair that unit of those 3 guys with the 4 young 20 year olds we have and watch that team develop and grow.


If Porzingis is a future A star him paire up with 4 other B stars that are a good fit with him would be more than enough to compete and we will have a good bench with lopez, afflalo, oquinn, Galloway. And we can keep all those players because we have there bird rights. unlike OKC that couldn't afford to keep harden. We could afford to keep all of ours.

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro @starksoakmase "good core of 4 20 year old players that will be future stars." that is a meaningless description. No one knows who will be a future star. u think guys are coming here to play with the #19 pick in the draft and a 19 year old latvian. are u fing crazy?

Let me tell you this, if the knicks have a good year, they can fit Bradley Beal and Al Jefferson without losing anyone on the current roster.....that is a very good team....just an example

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @John Munro  at the deadline u trade melo not now.


Maybe winslow shows you he will be a good player in the NBA and a borderline star. Trade Melo to the heat and give wade one more shot to win a ring. maybe the lakers will give you some of there young players like Russel once melo shows he still has it.


Maybe you get a 3 team trade. Obviously that's phils job he has to make sure he gets 2 young promising players for melo. I wouldn't give him away for nothing but I think melo can get you good young players at the deadline.


and yes I think if porzingis showed the NBA he is a future star next year, and Grant showed he's a good player, and we get 2 other young players for Melo players will see where headed in the right direction. right now no one wants to play with porzingis but no one has seen him play next summer that will be different.


You add the ability to pair up 2-3 max contracts to 4 young 20 year old players and yes I think teams will see that where headed in the right direction.  

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro @starksoakmase I'm not opposed to trading Melo for the right deal, but a good season this year and some good signings next year and this team isn't far away. This team has potential to show some growth this year and have a young, stable core moving forward....

There is no way in F'ing hell the lakers give us russell for Melo and trading Melo for a role play like Winslow would be crazy.

Just enjoy the young team you have now, summer league starts saturday....

John Munro
John Munro

@starksoakmase @John Munro  I wouldn't trade melo for winslow today. I think Winslow could become a better version of iggougdla. A guy who makes maybe 2-3 all star games throughgout his career and averages 17 points a game and plays great defense.


get me 2 players like that for melo who are 20 years old.


You have those 2 players and a future supersat and porzingis and Grant. How does that not attract free agents? The Bucks have that same exact formula except the bucks wont be able to afford all those players the knicks would be. Than on top of those 4 young guys with 2 other b level stars and you have 5 borderline stars and 1 superstar all of whom are under the age of 27.


I don't think the knicks will ever win a ring with Melo but I think a team like that could be good for the next 10 years and compete. Either way the Knicks aren't getting superstars next summer it will be the next level down. But trade Melo and you will get 2 players istead of 1 and you have a much better team for the future. and the part I really like of this idea is you can keep your core for there whole career instead of always looking to change

John Munro
John Munro

how can any person who is objective say for 1 season hibbert and david lee is worse than o Quinn and lopez


and how can any person say they rather have oquinn and lopez than over 30 million dollars in cap space. hibbert and lee freed up 30 million in expiring contracts


There isn't one person who knows anything about basketball that will tell you oquinn and lopez is better than 30 million in cap space for next off season, and that hibbert and lee is a worse 1 year fix than oquinn and lopez

starksoakmase
starksoakmase

@John Munro I don't know why I even respond to your posts, but yes, having good young players in place to build around with significant cap space is better than just cap space with no foundation.....

M&M; Consultants
M&M; Consultants

Knicks got the right players. Lee does not play defense, Rondo is washed up. You have to put pieces together that fit and that is what Phil is doing.