Updated: Giants add more players via UDFA market

The Giants signed a group of UDFAs after the conclusion of the draft last night: DL Kelcy Quarles of South Carolina, USC TE Xavier Grimble, DT Eathyn Manumaleuna of BYU and DE Kerry Wynn of Richmond.

Also inked overnight, all defenders: Georgia Tech DE Emmanuel Dieke, Notre Dame LB Dan Fox, Louisiana-Lafayette LB Justin Anderson, Michigan S Thomas Gordon, and Ohio State S C.J. Barnett.

Some quick bios and reactions…

USC TE Xavier Grimble
Rotoworld: Grimble (6-foot-4, 261) was underutilized in Lane Kiffin’s offense, which made infrequent use of the tight end as a receiver. He finished his three-year career with 69 catches for 731 yards (10.6 YPR) and 11 touchdowns before turning pro. A sub-par athlete (5.02 forty, 9-foot-2 broad jump), Grimble will have to make his living as an in-line tight end, which means he must improve greatly as a blocker.

Fennelly: I’ve been saying teams may just take USC players just for the hell of it. You know they have the talent. The program had three head coaches the past three years and many players did not post the stats amidst all the confusion. Grimble could be one of those players.

Richmond DE Kerry Wynn
Rotoworld: Wynn (6-foot-5, 266) was a three-year starter for the Spiders, finishing his career with 24 tackles for loss and 12.5 sacks. He made third-team all-conference in the CAA as a senior. Wynn showed moderate athleticism at the Combine, clocking 4.87 in the forty with a 34-inch vertical and 9-foot-5 broad jump. He might be best served bulking up and becoming a power end.

Fennelly: Not much to get excited about here, but with the proper training and coaching could possibly play in this league. Has the frame to bulk up. Seems to have good instincts, but looks like a project at this point.

BYU DT Eathyn Manumaleuna
Rotoworld: Manumaleuna (6-foot-1 3/4, 296) returned from a 2012 patellar tendon tear to register seven tackles for loss, one sack and a blocked kick as senior. He ran 5.16 at the Combine with a 28-inch vertical and 29 reps on the bench. Manumaleuna lacks flashy pass-rush tools, but offers adequate athleticism and is very hard to move. He’s “country strong” with legit two-gap ability.

Fennelly: The Giants have 5-man rotation at DT right now if you include 3rd round selection Jay Bromley. This kid will have to really stand out to be considered for the roster, but he appears to have the drive needed to give it a run.

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

The big name here is Quarles, who was not drafted mainly because of some off-field issues. But he’s a project that can be molded into an NFL DT. Quarles declared early and could have used another year at SC to developed. He benefited from playing next to top pick Jadeveon Clowney last season and was projected as a third-to-fifth round pick by some.

NFL.com’s Nolan Nawrocki on Quarles: “Good size and initial quickness. Long arms and strong upper body — can press and extend to create operating space. Flashes the ability to walk guards back. Is fairly light on his feet and shows nice closing burst to the quarterback. Good pursuit effort when his battery is charged. Heavy tackler. Excellent sack production, particularly for an interior defender — 9.5 sacks ranked second nationally among defensive tackles.”

The Giants could have a find here if this kid behaves himself. As for the others, they will have long roads to haul to make this suddenly talent-laden roster.




35 comments
Mark Eulner
Mark Eulner

They need to sign the TE Colt Lyerla if they cant sign jermichael Finley. Skill should be valued more than personality traits. Someone in the organization will be able to straighten colt out

mcfly
mcfly

Good pick up of Quarles, Grimble, and Fox.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

the 53-- Offense -25

1-QB ELI   2-QB Freeman  3-QB Nassib

4-LT Beatty  5-LT Brown  6-LG Schwartz  7-LG Brewer  8-C- Richburger - R 9-C Walton  10-RG Snee 11-RG Jerry   12-RT Pugh13-RB Jennings14-RB Hillis15-FB Connor16-RB Williams - R17-TE Davis18-TE A.Rob19-TE Donnell20- WR Cruz 21-WR Randle 22-WR Beckham - R  23-WR Manningham 24- WR Jerrigan 25- ?????????

jwill
jwill

This is DraftTek’s total for the Giants draft value in 2014. Now, they have they’re own algorithm, and I don’t always agree with their rankings (They had Andre Williams lower than I thought and David Wilson higher), but they’re the most divested and they’re not reporters, so there’s no bias. They’ve also the most accurate of my sources in mocking the draft:

Rd 1 – Odell Bekham, Jr.-4

Rd 2 – Weston Richburg-35

Rd 3 – Jay Bromley-51

Rd 4 – Andre Williams-34

Rd 5 – Nate Berhe -124

RD 5 – Devon Kennard-29

Rd 6 – Bennet Jackson-78

Total Draft Value:-355

Astounding! Even if this is just one org’s board, when you compare it to their value number for past drafts, the Giants have never had a draft this bad. I really think that character has become for the Giants, what speed was for Al Davis and the Raiders. That hurt the Raiders for years. How long and how much will the Giants let it destroy this roster?

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@Mark Eulner  The kid has talent, but no one has made a move in his direction so far. The Giants want no part of him, either.

spider43
spider43

@Mark Eulner  ....  I would normally agree, but I'm sure Belichick had those same thoughts about Aaron Hernandez, and look at how that turned out.

spider43
spider43

@jwill  ....  I'm guessing, the lower the number, the better the value?  This number doesn't mean much right now because I haven't seen any comparisons, but I'm willing to bet a fair amount of teams made out better on draft value than the Giants did.


As for character, I believe it IS very important, but it needs to be married with a great amount of talent. What good will the character be if there is no talent to go with it?  The object here isn't to build an Ivy League school football team.


Right now, I don't have a great feeling about this draft other than their 1st, 2nd, and 4th round picks. Those players were solid picks and will probably be solid players in a few years. I just didn't agree with where the players were selected in the rounds they were taken in. But the consolation prize was that at least those players were worth taking, even if forced upon the Giants because no one wanted to trade up with Reese. The rest of the draft picks by Reese seem like nothing more than players selected for special teams duties. Hopefully they are better than that.

SNYGiants
SNYGiants moderator

@BigBlueHuddle @SNYGiants  Correct. Once again the perils of going to press too early. Thanx

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@Michael Stewart @Skookaloop  

They Call him RichBurg'er...

because he Knock Defenders on thier BUN's....

He has over 50 Knock Down Blocks....

He is a PULLing Center, For REAL !!!

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@spider43 @jwill In regards to the Giants 1st and 2nd selections. Reese should have traded back if he truly felt strong about Beckham for an additional pick in such a deep draft...very poor management.

In round 2, although Richburg is a solid center, his value was not heads and shoulders better than the other centers in the draft such as; Marcus Martin, Travis Swanson, Russell Bodine or Bryan Stork who were taken through rounds 3-4.  Better rated players were still on the board in the 2nd round that filled a need for the Giants. This draft was a tale of two drafts in one as rounds 1-3 were questionable and rounds 4-6 made more sense, especially rounds 4 and 5

jwill
jwill

@spider43 @jwill  


"As for character, I believe it IS very important, but it needs to be married with a great amount of talent. What good will the character be if there is no talent to go with it?  The object here isn't to build an Ivy League school football team."


Also very much agree with this. And, I think, a good team has a good balance. You got your team leaders, you got your knuckleheads, you got your cerebral guys. It's about balance.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@spider43 @jwill  

J-Willie & Spidey--

It just Seems the 49er's can Move around the Draft Board at WILL !!!

i just Think REESE doesn't WANT to Move....

and it HURTs the GIANTS every DRAFT.....

........ Do you think it could be that Simple ???

jwill
jwill

@spider43 @jwill  Good points. The lower the numbers, the more of a reach. By comparison, DraftTek rated the Demontre Moore pick around +73. And the Giants past drafts on this site were all somewhere between -50 and +50 in total, just based on where they had them on the board and where they went.


It's a limited because its not a consensus board, but it should give you a window into how great of a departure this was even from past drafts in terms of value. 


There are other teams who had bad drafts according to the pundits, but I have calculated them, I'd be interested in doing that. 


I agree about these late players as well. 1-4, there's something there, even if you hate where they were picked. The later guys, I just dont see the upside. You got a safety who cant cover, in this NFL? You got Adrian Tracey clone (who I like btw). The UDFAs dont excite me either, other than the DT. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Skookaloop I said (if healthy) as that's not 100% confirmed 1 way or the other and if not RB M.Cox

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@spider43 value in a draft is completely different then value to a team. I keep hearing that they could've traded back, Reese said there were a few offer's but nothing special. And the Jets were looking to move up to grab him. The only 2 picks I have a problem with are Bromley and Brehe. Yet the signing of Quarles gives them a 3rd round talent. And the RB is a second Rd talent.


They did a good job with this draft, could Reese have moved up or back in some rounds probably. They added some really good talent to go with a very good FA signing period starting with DRC and it could still add Finley all in all Reese get's a B.

spider43
spider43

@Michael Stewart.... Not sure I agree. I mean, I don't strongly disagree with your "tale of two drafts" thought process, but with the exception of the 4th round, I think all the picks were questionable because of the lack of value the Giants received compared to what other teams managed to pull off.  I thought even the Cleveland Browns - the proverbial Factory of Sadness - did a much better job manipulating their draft board than the Giants did.  You DON'T need a boatload of picks to be able to smartly manipulate or leverage a draft. There just seems to be no willingness, no attempt or conviction to do such a thing by Reese.

jwill
jwill

@Phil Bellino @Brian WebsterIf your draft situation is such that there is no option when a player you want is overdrafted, then you are not doing your job as a GM.

Phil Bellino
Phil Bellino

@Brian Webster Reese had Bromley that high, how do you know another team didn't?


Also, as far as trading back, it was a deep draft, so its possible Reese wasn't being wowed with offers to move up

jwill
jwill

@Skookaloop @spider43 @jwill  


No, not by any stretch of the imagination do I consider him to be a top GM. There are things that he does well there thing that he does poorly. But lately that balance has shifted.


For one, the draft is weighted more heavily than any other personnel process. So, if you can get that right, you're derelict in maybe about 65% of your contribution as a GM.


Letting Linval Joseph walk shows that players who do fulfill their draft value may not be re-signed.


Too many bottom of the barrel FAs that take away from being able to pay central players like Joseph.


Deciding that a player role central to winning (LB, TE) in the NFL is all of a sudden unimportant then having your team run a sub-package to cover up that need is unacceptable. 


Scapegoating Pope was especially hurtful to me.


He has made some FA moves that I like: Rodgers-Chromartie especially. He has made some good draft picks, even some that I disagreed with, such as JPP over Derrick Morgan. He has done plenty of good things. But he doest just not a big picture guy. he's a 'my way' guy.

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@spider43 @jwill  

So WE ALL AGREE....???

REESE goes into the DRAFT with 100% Tunnel Vision...

NOT willing to Move for VALUE.....

He's POOR at MANAGING the Sal-Cap....

And He OVER pay's Free Agents......

...........................DOESN'T Sound Like a TOP GM to ME.....Sad


spider43
spider43

@jwill..... Correct. This was a wasted opportunity no matter how you slice it. The deepest draft in years combined with the Giants highest draft order placement in years, and all they could manage to do was draft depth for their special teams units?  Astounding.

spider43
spider43

@Brian Webster....  Exactly. There's no other way to express it. Jerry Reach picks his players in a vacuum.  Seems kind of puzzling how to explain the pickup of Victor Cruz however. I wonder with hindsight if he would have picked Cruz in a 3rd round reach. Good thing we'll never know.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@jwill @Skookaloop@spider43 I agree a major problem appears to be that Reese drafts in a vacuum where he only considers his board and where he has players. Bromley is a perfect example. Presumably he was the top player on his board when he took him in the 3rd Rd but he took no consideration that the rest of the world had him rated as a 5th Rd grade at best. Even if you think you know better than everyone else wouldn't you look even better if you hit big on a later Rd pick plus had taken another top player available in the 3rd Rd as opposed to the S you took in the 5th where you could've taken Bromley? I feel like if Reese for some reason thought a guy who everyone thought might not even be drafted was the best player in the entire draft he'd take him with his 1st Pk just because he was the top player on his draft board

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

@Skookaloop @spider43 @jwill Agreed, Reese had ample opportunity to trade back for additional picks (rounds 1 and 2)...This was the deepest draft in nearly a decade and Reese should have taken advantage of it.. Instead he drafts with no apparent thought process.

jwill
jwill

@Skookaloop @spider43 @jwill  I think first that Reese is becoming increasingly myopic when it comes to his draft picks and he's not removing himself from the minutia of the scouting process, as a GM should. He doesnt seem to have a handle on the bigger picture of the draft.


And then, as you say, he's not working the draft at all. He's not moving around or maneuvering in any way, so he's reaching to get players before any other team would even consider them. It's bad draft management. And the draft is everything in the NFL.

jwill
jwill

@Brian Webster @jwill @spider43  Oh, sorry guys, postscript stuff. Yeah, they were all rated as - and the total is -355. That scares the crap out of me. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@jwill @spider43 Oh since there were no + and given the spacing I & I assume most others took the - as a dash and not a minus sign