Buzz: CB Thurmond a “value signing” by Giants

Former NFL executive Louis Riddick is calling the Giants’ signing of CB Walter Thurmond “a slam dunk” (Raanan, March 20).

“If he can stay healthy and out of trouble, it’s a tremendous value signing,” said Riddick, who pegged Thurmond as his most underrated available player heading into free agency…But it’s the skills of the Giants’ new corner that impress Riddick most. In his opinion, there is nothing that Thurmond (5-foot-11, 190 pounds) can’t do well. That should provide defensive coordinator Perry Fewell with plenty of versatility with Thurmond, Rodgers-Cromartie and Prince Amukamara in the same defensive backfield.

From Rotoworld:

The Giants were able to steal Thurmond on a one-year, $3 million contract thanks to off-field and injury concerns. “He’s a dynamite press corner, who is as good with his technique as Byron Maxwell, as Richard Sherman,” Riddick said. Thanks to the Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie signing, Thurmond will likely open the season as a third corner in what is now a very deep unit. He shouldn’t have a problem earning a much bigger payday a year from now.

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

It’s certainly a good investment for the Giants, at least for one year. Should Thurmond have a strong season, the Giants will likely try to lock him up.

That being said, no one is able to predict what the free agent market will be like next year, because the salary cap is expected to increase again. Players will be more apt to test the market, especially the twenty-somethings such as Thurmond.




16 comments
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

Sounds like phil wants either Okafor or Russel....not towns....if he can't get Okafor he would take Russel.

Jon Leech
Jon Leech

I think we made a big mistake and should trade the pick to get shump back

Ernest Coleman
Ernest Coleman

KA-T/ or trade for Cousins

Monroe

  Melo

    Matthews

    Knight.

This would be my ideal line up, maybe more of a fantasy line up. If we cant draft KA-T I would draft Russell or Mudiay.. 


Mauricio Gold
Mauricio Gold

No way phoenix is letting knight go lol they still have a 2 pg system in place.

Mauricio Gold
Mauricio Gold

Russell

Hardaway

Anthony

Love/monroe/Aldridge

Kosta koufus/amir Johnson/ DeAndre JORDAN

Any combination of those guys up front would be enough to give us a shot for a deep playoff run even with a rookie pg. (I'm assuming he will have veteran help anyway in either calderon, Beverley or mo Williams)

Garrett Tetrault
Garrett Tetrault

Love and Aldridge are very very unlikely to be an option. With Monroe and Melo at the 3 and 4 creates a liability defensively as neither make any defensive impact. Plus Monroe has already expressed his desire to start for some team at the center position. D'Angelo Russell while played some point guard at the college level, is really more suited to be a shooting guard at the NBA level. Phil Jackson wants to pursue two way players( Jimmy Butler, reggie Jackson, Marc Gasol, DeAndre Jordan, wes Mathews, etc) it's highly unlikely they sign max like deal to one dimensional players that only offer offense. Monroe/love/monta Ellis etc. Also Tim Hardaway JR may not be on this team much longer as there's a growing belief they will trade him. Too big of a liability defensively. Phil Jackson does not want one dimensional players as our best player is exactly that, In Melo.

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

U could end with Love and Monroe....their is some stuff going around that Monroe wants to play C. Russel, Hardaway and Melo....

Mauricio Gold
Mauricio Gold

D angelo. Let's face it everyone. This has become a guards leauge. All we need from the center position is defense and rebounds. We might as well use the pick on a very talented lefty point guard with amazing ball IQ.

TheTrueStork
TheTrueStork

I realize that Kaminsky may not have the physical abilities of some of the other players, but he seems tailor-made for the triangle.

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

I think he wants Okafor if he gets the #1 pick based on his post moves and offensive skills alone. I would like Rondo and Love this off season with the cap space we have but I think Greg Monroe, Wesley Matthews and Patrick Beverley is more realistic if we get the #1. Now if the Knicks don't get the #1, I think Phil trades the pick and the best possibility I could see the pick being traded to is Sacramento for Cousins. Phil don't want Towns...George Karl and Cousins don't seem like a very good fit together for the long term. Karl doesn't want a post up big man, phil does. Kings would have 2 of the top 6 picks...it would make sense. If the Knicks got Cousins I think they would get Monroe also. Starting 5 if they got Cousins....Cousins, Monroe, Melo, Hardaway and Beverley. If knicks got the #1 pick and got Okafor; Okafor Monroe, Melo, Wesley Matthews and Patrick Beverley

rico
rico

“9) Myles Turner, Texas


He rebounds the ball well and shoots decently enough from the perimeter, but his instincts and respective confidence could use some improvement.

How do you teach “instincts”? 

Do you mean "his innate abilities that you can't teach need to be taught?"

How could anyone actually write “his instincts need to improve?”  

That line has to go into the SMH hall of fame.

Other than that brain-freeze, interesting post.

Why do I think Phil will draft someone unlikely?

Keith Schlosser
Keith Schlosser

@rico Alright, Rico, so you're trying to make me look like a fool. It's not really working here.


Who said anything about teaching him instincts? I didn't. You suggested that's what I meant, but you're wrong. Not really fair to put words in my mouth and then say such a statement deserves to go into the "SMH Hall of Fame."


Some college athletes experience a relatively quick transition to the pro game, because of their comfort level and relative instincts. In my mind, Turner won't be one of them. He'll need time to adjust, come into his own, and continue to learn the right things to do on a basketball court.


Under your argument, since instincts can't be taught, are you suggesting veteran players have the same instincts as first and second year players? I'd think most learn as they go along, simply due to the experience and exposure they gain to the pro game.


Turner isn't as ready (as others) to contribute on day one. The Knicks are in win-now mode, so they can't really demonstrate the necessary patience. 


Try googling "ways to improve your instincts." I'm not the only crazy person who believes it can be done. And for kicks, the YouTube video link below discusses how to do so, specifically, in basketball. Coincidentally enough, the speaker agrees with me. How does one improve your instincts? Play the game. Nothing being taught there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2joBeA5LVIE


cj1786
cj1786

My gut is still that Okafor should be the first pick.  I think its great that Towns can knock down a jump shot but I'm personally sick of the 7 footers that hang out 18 feet from the basket.  I want a low post guy to draw double teams and open up shots for everyone else.


The other thing is that going into the season Okafor was pretty much considered to be the consensus top pick in the draft.  Right from the start it was "suck more for Okafor" or whatever that dumb saying was. No one was mentioning Towns.  So for me to now think Towns should be the top pick someone needs to explain to me exactly what Towns did this season to raise his stock.  What did he do that was above and beyond the expectations people had at the beginning of the season when he wasn't considered the top pick.  Or, explain what Okafor didn't do to, or what he didn't show that made people lower lower his stock.  Without a good explanation then to me it seems like Towns' rise is more associated with his teams success than anything else, and if thats the case then Okafor should still be the pick. 

thehat
thehat

@cj1786 People got down on Okafor for his D (which has been overblown) and make a big deal how he lives in the paint which something not done in the NBA today...while everyone was just jumping on the Kentucky bandwagon as they rolled up an undefeated record.  That's not to say that Towns hasn't also improved over the season.  He's been more aggressive on the offensive end for sure....   Like they've said 5 years from now Towns might be the better player, but if you need a guy to come in as a rookie and put up 18 and 10 a night and build an offense around, Okafor is the guy.  If the Knicks want a guy to just protect the rim and just fit into an offense with 2 other guys carrying the offensive load, then Towns is the guy.  


Personally I go Okafor because I think its cheaper to get role players to do some of the extra dirty work, but if Phil has an inside track on someone like Love, it doesn't make a lot of sense to clog the lane with Jahlil so then Towns should be the guy.  In the end I wouldn't be upset with either, but its going to be a pretty significant change to how you build the rest of the team based on which one is drafted.

cj1786
cj1786

I pretty much agree with you on all your points. I just see every analysis of Towns seems to start with his defense. It's not that I don't think defense matters, but I think the elite offensive player is ultimately more difficult to find and more valuable down the road. And like I said, I think there is alot of Kentucky hype with Towns. Like people almost see him as another Anthony Davis, which would be a mistake because he just isn't on that level.

mcfly
mcfly

If he plays well, he will prob ask for around 5 million a year. Not bad. Unless players feel they are being undervalued, they always take that money on the table. Just make sure it gets done before the pats possibly exercise their TWENTY million dollar option on Revis. Every DB would love seeing that