2013 First and Second Round Mock Draft W/ Trades

Kel Dansby , Draft and Fantasy

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The draft is 3 days away and this will be the final mock draft. We’ve seen teams add through free agency and trades. We’ve also seen prospects move up and down a lot since the Senior Bowl and Combine. All of that is combined to make this final mock draft. Last year the draft was about 45% accurate by either team or exact spot that the player was  drafted. This year we’re aiming for 60%, so take a look at the mock draft below and use the comment section to leave your opinions on the selections.

Round 1

1 – KC: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M

Today John Clayton told 610 Sports Radio host Jay Binkley that he fully expects the Chiefs to deal Brandon Albert to the Dolphins during the first day of the draft. That further solidifies their need for a bookend Left Tackle. Joeckel is the most polished and experienced tackle in the draft and can step in and start day one.

2 – JAX: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon

Jacksonville has been searching for a dynamic pass rusher for what seems to be a decade. Jordan gives them just that and his ability to stand up and play linebacker makes it hard for an offense to pinpoint defensive schemes.

3 – OAK: Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida

The Raiders need help at every position at this point but I can’t see them going for QB with the addition of Matt Flynn. So I have them taking a player that can solidify the middle of their defense. Floyd showed the ability to dominate the line of scrimmage at Florida and his quickness should translate well to the NFL.

4 – ARI: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan (Trade W/PHI)

Arizona trades up to grab their offensive tackle of the future. Carson Palmer may not have much left in the tank but keep him upright will help him use the little that he does have. Fisher is hyper-athletic and isn’t near his ceiling as a lineman.

5 – DET: Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU

Ansah is the most intriguing prospect in this draft class and with the two highest tackles off of the board the Lions add a defensive end to their two 1st round D-tackles. Ansah is raw enough to learn whatever scheme a team needs him to and he showed the ability to adjust to better competition during his Senior Bowl week.

6 – CLE: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama

The Browns would love to trade out of this spot but I see them being forced to stay here and draft the best player available. Eifert has been pegged to the Browns in other mocks but he isn’t worth a top 10 selection and Cleveland has other needs. Milliner would give them a formidable tandem on the edges and allow them to take more chances in the blitz game.

7 – PHI: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah (Trade W/ARI)

Philly acquires an additional 3rd Round pick and moves back 3 spots. They end up getting the player they’ve coveted any way with DT Star Lotulelei. Star would be a hybrid, Haloti Ngata, type of player in Chip’s defensive scheme and make a great partner for Fletcher Cox.

8 – SD: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma (Trade W/BUF)

San Diego moves up 3 spots to ensure that they get an offensive tackle in round 1. The Jets are in the market for a Right Tackle but I believe they bring in Andre Smith or Eric Winston to fill that void now that Revis cleared some 9 million in cap. Phillip Rivers has declined the past 3 seasons and getting him help has to be priority number one.

9 – NYJ: Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU

The Jets use their first pick in the draft to select a much needed pass rusher. Rex Ryan hasn’t had one since he’s been in New York and the easiest way to make a secondary look better is by getting a guy that can get to the QB.

10 – TEN: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama

The Titans signed Adam Levitre in free agency but CJ2k wants to prove that he is an elite runner again and the easiest way for that to happen is by drafting the best run blocker in this draft class. Warmack would solidify the line for the Titans and make them a threat against any front seven.

11 – BUF: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse (Trade W/SD)

Buffalo gains SD’s 3rd round pick and still gets their man under center. Nassib can sit behind Kevin Kolb for the first 6 weeks of the season and then take over after the bye week. Buffalo has plenty of options offensively to take pressure off of Nassib and they can use the added 3rd rounder to grab a talented WR.

12 – STL: Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia (Trade W/MIA)

St. Louis moves up to grab Bradford a much-needed weapon on the outside. Austin’s stock has skyrocketed since the combine and many people see him as the next Percy Harvin, minus the attitude though.

13 – NYJ: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

A new GM means a new QB. The Jets are now obviously rebuilding and Mark Sanchez has shown what he is capable of accomplishing with the Jets. He needs a change of venue and the Jets need a changing of the guard at Quarterback.  Geno would be the first step in bringing excitement back to the Green & White in NY.

14 – CAR: Kenny Vaccaro, SS, Texas

Vaccaro is the best safety in a class filled with good ones. He has the range to okay sideline to sideline and is one of the best pound-for-pound tacklers in the draft. Carolina needs help in the back end of their defense and Vaccaro could add to the leadership of last years DROY Kuechly.

15 – NO: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia

Jarvis Jones slips due to injury concerns and the Saints nabs themselves a 3-4 pass rusher w/ proven production. Jones will fit in well in Rob Ryan’s defense and the Saints have no one with the ability to stand up and rush the passer.

16 – MIA: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State (Trade W/STL)

Miami adds a 3rd round draft pick by dropping a few slots; they probably package it to get Brandon Albert from the Chiefs. They select Xavier Rhodes with this selection. They lost Davis through trade last season & Smith in free agency. They have nothing on the corners and will need to select multiple in this draft.

17 – PIT: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

Steelers would love to take Jones at this spot but he’s gone and any other OLB would be a reach, so they go for the #1 rated WR in the draft. Patterson isn’t a polished route runner and doesn’t have much experience, sounds familiar? Same things were said about Mike Wallace. Patterson could step right in and produce with the helps of Big Ben’s cannon arm.

18 – DAL: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina

Dallas makes the smart pick here and takes the second best OG prospect. They were horrible on the interior of their line last year and Cooper sliding next to Smith would give them a young/talented left side.

19 – NYG: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama

The Giants line gets an immediate upgrade with Fluker. He was underrated as a pass blocker last season; Fluker had great games against Mingo of LSU and Moore of T A&M. Fluker played for the best team in the best conference in college football, which makes him polished enough to start from day 1 and not let Giants fans suffer through another season of David Diehl.

20 – CHI: Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia

Ogletree has slid because of off the field issues but he remains the most athletic LB in the draft and the Bears are hurting for linebackers after the departure of Urlacher.

21 – CIN: Eric Reid, FS, LSU

Reid fits the mold of what the Bengals covet at safety. He is a rangy, fast, and hard-hitting safety on the back end. He digressed this past season but that can be expected after losing Claiborne to the draft & Mathieu to suspension. HE was surrounded by youth and had to worry about everyone else doing their job. Reid could be the missing piece for a playoff defense looking to take hold of the division.

22 – STL: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame

Eifert gives the Rams another big time weapon for Sam Bradford. It’s time to see what you have at QB and Bradford will have no excuses after they bring in 3 or 4 dynamic young pieces.

23 – MIN: DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

DeAndre Hopkins is a great receiver who took over games at Clemson these past few seasons. Bad bathroom etiquette aside this kid can ball and he will be a great step towards replacing Percy Harvin. The team can’t afford to be the worst passing offense again next season.

24 – IND: Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama

Indy has the luxury of drafting who ever they want regardless of need or position. They will be in every game because of Andrew Luck and now they can just add to his greatness. Lacy rounds out the offense and surrounds Luck with another 25 & under star.

25 – SF: Jonathan Cyprien, SS, Florida International (Trade W/ MIN)

Cyprien pops out of the screen when you watch his tape. He hits like Bernard Pollard but covers much better. I wouldn’t be surprised if he turned out to be the best DB in this class. The Niners just lost Goldston and Cyprien will probably be an upgrade.

26 – JAX: Matt Barkley, QB, USC (Trade W/GB)

The first of the trades for a QB late in the 1st. Jacksonville could stay put but they’d risk losing out on their guy. It’ll on cost the Jags a 4th this year and a 3rd next year to move up so why not grab Barkley to be the future of the franchise. Barkley gets the most out of talented players, so he’d get max potential out of Blackmon, Lewis, and MJD.

27 – HOU: Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee

Houston always uses the draft to fill needs and they need another threat opposite of Andre Johnson. Hunter ran a blazing 4.4 4o at his pro day and looks to be recovering nicely from his leg injury. He is an incredible deep pass receiver and won’t see any double teams as the Texans’ 2nd WR.

28 – DEN: Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State

“Tank” Carradine is shooting up draft boards as we approach draft day. He would’ve been a top 10 pick at defensive end if he didn’t blow his knee in October. He should be ready for the start of next season though and the Broncos could use someone to take Elvis Dummerville’s vacated spot across from Von Miller.

29 – PHI: EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State (Trade W/ NE)

The Eagles use the 3rd round pick they picked up for trading back early in the first to move up into the back end and select the QB of the future. Manuel’s cannon arm and mobility makes him ideal for Chip’s offense. He is smart enough to learn the intricacies of the offense by the time Vick inevitably gets injured.

30 – ATL: Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington

The Falcons need help at corner after losing Dunta Robinson to free agency. Trufant’s speed is impressive and he was one of the lone standouts on UW’s defense.

31 – MIN: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State (Trade W/SF)

The Vikings took a WR with their first pick so they’ll address their non-existent secondary with their second. They only have 3 corners on the roster and need to find at least two in this draft. Banks is a big bodied corner that can match up with Jordy Nelson, Megatron, and Brandon Marshall within the division twice a year.

32 – BAL: Keenan Allen, WR, California

The Ravens are Super Bowl champs so they can do what they please with this pick. Linebacker may be an immediate need after Rolando McClain’s most recent arrest but I have them sticking it out with him and drafting Anquan Boldin’s replacement. Allen was a game changer at Cal and Ozzie Newsome won’t be scared off by a slow 40 time or some off field character concerns.

 

Round 2

 

33 – GB: Matt Elam, SS, Florida (Trade W/JAX)

34 – SF: David Amerson, CB, North Carolina State

35 – NE: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri (Trade W/PHI)

36 – DET: Menelik Watson, OT, Florida St.

37 – CIN: Kyle Long, OT, Oregon

38 – ARI: Datone Jones, DE, UCLA

39 – NYJ: Manti Te’o, ILB, Notre Dame

40 – TEN: Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky

41 – BUF: Justin Pugh, OT, Syracuse

42 – MIA: Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State

43 – TB: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State

44 – CAR: Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor

45 – SD: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M

46 – STL: Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina

47 – DAL: Kawann Short, DT, Purdue

48 – PIT: Alex Okafor, DE, Texas

49 – NYG: Arthur Brown, ILB, Kansas State

50 – CHI: Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff

51 – WAS: Jon Bostic, ILB, Florida

52 – MIN: Kevin Minter, ILB, LSU

53 – CIN: Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

54 – KC: Kiko Alanso, ILB, Oregon

55 – GB: Robert Woods, WR, USC

56 – SEA: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama

57 – HOU: Robert Alford, CB, Southeastern Louisiana

58 – DEN: Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford

59 – NE: Ryan Swope, WR, Texas A&M

60 – ATL: Vance McDonald, TE, Rice

61 – MIN: Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech (Trade W/SF)

62 – BAL: Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State

 

 

210 comments
Callme Fitz
Callme Fitz

Love these new look islanders

young , fast and tough
Strome is going to be a super star  for years to comeIf it wasn't for that horrible November, which was a team effort, or lack there of, we are in the playoffs

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

i shake my head when the people that complain about 'another draft party' turn around and get all heavy with 'it's imperative they lose tomorrow for the four pick instead of the five.'  i couldn't care less whether they draft four or five, and tbh i don't see how anybody can make a deal over it.

islebedamd
islebedamd

Isles need a #1 goalie

Hamonic & De Haan are the only two NHL Dmen with futures here. Hope for Reinhart and Pulock pan out, and they need two veteran Defensemen (Langevin type)

Vet Forward locks: Tavares, Okposo, Nielson, Grabner

Cizikas & Martin

Prize rookies on team next season: Strome, Nelson, Lee

Done with: Bailey

Dime a dozen: clutterbuck, McDonald, Boulton

Needs: Elite winger, a veteran "JP Parise-type" forward and coach who knows what he's doing

Scott Weinstein
Scott Weinstein

If we hadn't blown so many third period leads, we're probably at around 90-95 points and at least sniffing at a playoff spot.

wvAL
wvAL

A few dumpster pick ups from Snow in off season should get us in the playoffs.

truth77
truth77

The last few weeks this is all a fan wants, A Team . So you can sit Home and feel like every game  We have a chance .Wow think how the Devils and Habs must think when a Team with 11 rookies beats Ya,Gotta love it! Vanek not resigning is the best thing that could have happened he is poor defensively and Nelson in the long run is a much better two way hockey player and deserves ample time next Year.Rather have a Callahan over a Vanek.Even a Moulson over  Vanek .Islander Fans and Matty got the shaft in that deal!

dzruggie
dzruggie

Well I have to say for the last several games I have been watching entertaining hockey.  All of these injuries have allowed a look at what prospects we have and we can make a few observations.  Brace yourself boys this is going to be positive!

Strome has skills and will be a top 2nd center (I'll throw in wing even though I am against it) and as he fills out and learns how to out work players, look out.

Lee is a bull.  Over the last several games you just keep noticing him out there.  Perhaps the LW for JT and KO as this kid opens up space.  He has played responsible D.  While I would prefer a different proven LW for the top line, he gives an option.  (In line with how Snow looks at the UFA market I could see a pitch for Ottawa's Milan Michalek)

Persson vs. McDonald.  McDonald knows his gig is on the line and has been playing a physical game and Persson is a possible bottom 6

Nelson is already here and is showing his skills, especially his shot is sneaky good.  looks like a 20 goal guy and he too will fill out

Mayfield is another guy that needs to fill out and needs more time in the AHL.  Seems to play a zone type of D and allows players to get positioning on him in the slot.  But a big right hand shot can be huge as he develops.

Czuchman (no idea-spelling).  6'3" and a skater.  


The D outlook is good but obviously very young.  They will not rush in Poluck unless he just plays out of his mind in camp.  You have to like Hickey.  


Keys this off season are obvious: #1 Goalie, A LW for JT (easier said I know) and a vet solid D if possible.


This team plays very fast and if, and a huge if, they can build on their play of tight coverage and fast counter attacks, things are looking really good for us folks.

orange
orange

I'm not comparing i'm just saying he deserves a chance with a healthy squad a descent goalie and a better help on dfence

willymayshays
willymayshays

@gleichzahl  

I really don't get what one win in a 'lost' season means to you.

Could go either way. 

Wouldn't you like to win the lottery?

Is there a difference between picking 1 and 4?

jrjr
jrjr

You forgot a goalie. And clutterbuck is a fantastic penalty killer. I would not disrupt the CCM line.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@islebedamd  matt martin can't really play hockey.  this was a great opportunity for him to step up, show a little offense, put up a few points.  clutterbuck is just a better player.

also, hickey is useful at least for next year.  he's a keeper at the present moment.  donovan might be on the fence.

bailey is more talented than grabner, so it's a crap shoot btwn those two, imo.  next year's is bailey's last chance, but he's not going to disappear over the summer, i don't think.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@islebedamd

Certainly de Haan and Hamonic, but no Hickey?????

What about Dono, he has talent, give up that quick?

Mayfield as well???

Don22
Don22

@islebedamd Don't disagree with most, but I do about Clutterbuck.  He's a better version of Martin. The only thing Martin can do better is fight.  Boulton has his role too, although he certainly is replaceable.  But I think they extended him, so he's here. 

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Scott Weinstein  

A goalie and a small improvement on defense  would have made a huge difference.


Bernier would have been a good start

jrjr
jrjr

No, real pickups should do it. A real courting to jonas hiller, one of the left wings available and a dman would really solidify this team. But that would mean spending above the cap floor.

Chris R
Chris R

@truth77  the islanders fan always get the shaft from wangpuke

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@dzruggie  lee's work in front of the goal gives the defense a handful and wears them down even if he's not scoring.  he's pretty much the only guy who can do that role.  so he's useful even a little bit beyond his actual skill.

mets8669
mets8669

@dzruggie Hickey is terrible.....gets bullied and throws up a point once in a while

mets8669
mets8669

@dzruggie  Everything was fine until you said..."You have to like Hickey"...Hes weak ..gets bullied in front ...and barely scores...Yep whats not to like

islebedamd
islebedamd

Hickey is a 7th defenseman.. Visnovsky, Hamonic and DeHaan are the only NHL Defensemen on this team

Lets hope Reinhart and Pulock pan out and sign a veteran who isn't washed up like Carkner & co.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@dzruggie   Its refreshing Dzruggie to hear positive comments about our team. The young prospects have looked really good especially Ryan Strome. The Islanders will wind up with either 77 or 79 points and with a little Improvement in goal and defense we should be able to reach 90+ points next year and be in the playff hunt. Now that is if we make those improvements and John Tavares is 100% healthy.

dkdk
dkdk

I get ya, I am no cappy fan but for a long time I have said he shouldn't be destroyed for the faulty roster the GM gave him.

If I had the chance to replace the GM or replace the coach, I would choose a new GM.

Either way though, snow will never be a GM in the NHL again and cappy would never be a head coach in the NHL for another team. And both of those posts speak to wang. Everything leads back to that POS.

Chris R
Chris R

@orange  I hear you.but how does he deserve another chance, he's had plenty of chances. he had a losing record with the isles and he's had all young talent...The team needs a fresh start with a winning coach.

gleichzahl
gleichzahl

@willymayshays @gleichzahl  can you go fourth to first in the lottery?

the rational me knows the game doesn't matter.  but the rational me also tells me slotting into four or five doesn't matter (at least in any manner that can be predicted).  and the rational me, again, wonders why people who are cynical about another round of draft picks, want to drop two points like it makes a big difference.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@mets8669 @dzruggie  Hickey actually is the only defenseman with a positive plus minus other then Martinek that is. He also has more points 22 then every other Islander defenseman. But i agree with you he's just to small.

Don22
Don22

@mets8669 @dzruggie Well for a guy who barely scores, he has the most D points on the team and he's +3.  AND he's played every game.  On a good defensive team he's 3rd pair - 2nd pair if he were a little bigger.  But he's not as terrible as everyone is saying.  But I guess with Amac gone, we need a different whipping boy.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@islebedamd  

7th?  sure, he's not great, but he's good.  He moves the puck well, plays hard and tends to play smart.  He was a bottom pairing, but he's moving up.  Being 5'11" doesn't mean you're bad.  He's actually bigger than Vis and might soon be a better player.

John Richards
John Richards

You cant separate snow from cappy both must go..

orange
orange

@dkdk  I agree with you it all starts from the top and the top doesn't have much of a clue on how to run this franchise

Chris R
Chris R

@dkdk  well yea the GM goes first absolutely

orange
orange

@Chris R  Where do you go get a winning coach one without a job.What we need is a true Owner with balls and bring a fresh atmosphere to town

orange
orange

I know Chris but he doesn't have much of a say on who stays or goes all the other top coaches do.If you think you can bring some other stiff that he would no.Trust when i say that the coach this year got a little bit more respect on the job that he did

dzruggie
dzruggie

@willymayshays  4 picks up for the lottery is correct.  So finishing at 5 they still have a chance to win the #1 pick.  

willymayshays
willymayshays

@gleichzahl

Yes, pretty sure 4 spots is the max

If I was picking, I'd much rather have Draisaitl, the next option I like much less.  So yes it matters, IMO.  But drafting  is not a science, it's 50 % luck.  (IMO, but it's also 50 % picking the best guy, BPA)

Chris R
Chris R

@willymayshays @Chris R @islebedamd  yawn. just like your buddy rm's posts ... Hickey is small and is fair at best, period..if thats the kind of guy you want on your team then you and snow and are a match made in heaven.

islebedamd
islebedamd

Exactly.. Bottom line is six Defensemen make a team, all must be high quality to compete for Cup... Hickey and Donovan are good, but not on this team with the others of similar style and more upside

willymayshays
willymayshays

@Chris R @willymayshays@islebedamd  

How many how many playoff teams have "munchkins" on their team??

Please, if you paint a picture with one broad stroke it will look as bad as your "argument" sounds.  

Wait, argument??? Can  I call it that???

willymayshays
willymayshays

@isles23  


Most people move with the heard.  The trade was very unpopular, (I didn't like it either)  so bashing the return just makes sense to the "mainstream-collective".  

The problem of course is CBuck is talented regardless of how he got here, it's just hard for some people to go from point A -> point B on their own...

isles23
isles23

@willy. I don't get the dislike people have for Cal. Even if you didn't like the trade Clutterbuck is far from dime a dozen.

willymayshays
willymayshays

@mrcisback @willymayshays@mets8669@dzruggie

buddy, I was replying to mets8669.   I wasn't trying to offend you.  I was saying that 22 points is good.  And if you look closer...1 PPP.  Most d-men that have more points have much power play points.  Hickey is a decent player regardless of what that other guy thinks.

mrcisback
mrcisback

@willymayshays @mets8669 @mrcisback @dzruggie   I've been watching hockey probably before you were born. I didn't say i was a big Hickey fan all i said was he has the most points and best plus minus out of all these defenseman on the team which is an inditement on how bad the Islander defense really is. He also could be replaced very easily by a bigger and better defenseman like Reinhart or Pullock.

mets8669
mets8669

Most D points would impress me if that point total was not 22 with 4 goals in 81 games...Yep hes just ripping up the ice out there

mrcisback
mrcisback

@Mark Kaiser @mrcisback   Thats true Mark, your right, a loss in OT or shootout gives them 78.

dkdk
dkdk

We know the side of the line of maginot you fall on Matt. But as a defender of wang I thought you would appreciate a dictator no?

Bottom line is if the choice is a dictator of lemming I will be a dictator. I am not a 20 year old polyannic kid. Wang is evil and the team is his play thing, results be damned.

At least you had the decency to not deny calling me a Nazi. Plus your last post is historically wrong. France aided the nazis, they were not bystanders.

isles23
isles23

Wow that says it all dk. You'd rather be a dictator than an inoccent bystander...

dkdk
dkdk

Matt I think you need a mirror as well since hating wang and not trusting him makes us Nazis. That is one large step you took. Those types or character assaults when they go the other way leads to 10 posts of you guys are so cruel and immature ..... Blah blah blah.

And Matt while you busy throwing a parade for yourself as Switzerland. You are far more France that's Switzerland.

And I guess if given a choice I would rather be North Korea than France. Wee wee.

isles23
isles23

@dkdk. By your logic your part of the problem too. Its known now TV is more important than attendance at the game. Do you still watch the games dk? And saying there is no grey area is complete bs, people can always see both sides, some can't like yourself. People here have called me Switzerland, well I'd rather be Switzerland than North Korea.

dkdk
dkdk

Mart I have he mentality that fans of 29 other teams have, you try to win a Cup not scream for joy over maybe being a bubble team. There are several people of this site whose high water expectation is to climb to the -6th overall draft slot and when we do scream for joy hat we have arrived! Arrived at what? A first round exit. Letting another one of our top UFAs bolt. Yipppppeeeeeeee.

The acceptance of that allows snow and wang to continue spending as little as possible. It keeps snow and Cappy employed. It keeps us in the lottery. If everyone acted like Aints fans of the 70s change would come because the hand would be forced.

And by the way since you feel the need to project your analysis on me, I am not a black or white personal in real life. But I am with wang. I have witnessed him running a,ock embarassing this team for 13 years. No gray area with him. No benefit of the doubt either.

isles23
isles23

@dkdk. Yet again people watch for entertainment not to please you. But to jog your memory there have been games with basically nobody there. Hasn't done a hole lot has it? And you guys are so thick its amazing, don't know how many times I've said I'm not a fan of Wang. You have this 'if your not with us your against' mentality and that's just about the worst mentality to have. Do I have to tell you what cultures in the world have had or currently have that kind of thinking?

dkdk
dkdk

Matt since you are a fan or wangsnow I wouldn't expect you to get it. If there were 1500 people in the seats and people didn't treat like getting an 8 seed in a strike shortened season maybe ownership would feel pressure to have to resign a Moulson. Maybe they would realize signing a top goalie is imperative. But if people are acting like being a bubble team is some major accomplishment this is what we will continue to get. SHYT and promises.

isles23
isles23

@dkdk. I'm sorry but blaming fans is a ridiculous concept. So is it the Knicks fans fault they have been terrible for a decade too? Or red Sox fans fault they didn't win a world series for 86 years? Fans are fans, not owners, presidents, gms, or coaches. People watch for entertainment, not to please you.

dkdk
dkdk

That is why as a met fan, as hard as that is, at least everyone universally says if Wilpon can't financially keep a team going he has to sell it. No one is analyzing why he can't compete. It's a business if you are failing at it you part with it or bankrupt yourself and it is on you. That is how America works.

John Richards
John Richards

No doubt there should be righteous outrage directed at Wang from all precincts but there are a bunch who are in way too much of a comfort zone or don't care.

dkdk
dkdk

And he has enought of a population of fans that either aren't concerned about results or are too comfortable taking in the lies he peddles. Their acceptance of the status quo is as damaging as anything wang does.

John Richards
John Richards

He also knows that the sports media in this area completely ignore the team and have for years.. irrelevancy is an ally of Wang..

dkdk
dkdk

Yep John that is the crux of everything I was trying to get at this morning. Wang being cheap and clueless supersedes any positives that anyone may think is there.

dkdk
dkdk

Hey John he is very despised, but he has a very comfy, secure bunker at a ski resort in aspen that's for sure.

John Richards
John Richards

Absolutely which is why the talk of drafts/prospects/big dmen /etc is meaningless with Wang snow cappy still around

dkdk
dkdk

There is no one I trust less than wang. I believe nothing he says, does, or implies. He has to go. Nothing changes until it happens.

John Richards
John Richards

@dkdk what worries me dude that this whole rumor of Wang selling the club was a phony trial balloon Wang knows how much hes despised it might be just a pr move.

dkdk
dkdk

Agreed John, tat was just a gun to the head choice. I saw in 6 weeks under Neil smith how quickly the roster improved with no arena excuses so I think a GM could change things quickly. Neil Smith gets Witt, Poti, and Sillinger. Snow gets PMB, Carkner, reasoner, Pandolfo, etc.

Chris R
Chris R

@orange @dkdk  the top has his feeble little mind on other things like sushi and skyscrapers

dkdk
dkdk

FF U Wang