Buzz: Talking offensive line, what else?

John Fennelly, Lead Writer

This week we’ve been talking offense line, the area where the Giants need to get some instant stability this offseason. We’ve canvassed our readers on what they would do to fix the situation (we’ll print some of those suggestions in another post) but first I would like to address a few quick questions.

How serious is the Giants’ offensive line situation?

Fennelly: It’s practically dire, personnel-wise. I think they need three new starters. They will seek to sign at least two in free agency and then bring in another via the draft. Who those players will be are debatable. Their cap situation and needs at other positions will limit what they can do.

My assessment is they already have their two tackles and center. Will Beatty and Justin Pugh are currently at tackle and David Baas is the center. Pugh can play anywhere and Beatty can play either side. The Giants have some flexibility with them if they bring in a big name.

Baas’ cap number will be hard for the Giants to shed, so he’s probably staying. That means no Alex Mack, Evan Dietrich-Smith or Brian de la Puente via free agency. Cutting Baas before June 1st would cost the Giants $6.45 million. If released after June 1st, it would only result in a $3.2 million cap hit.

They need guards. David Diehl retired and Chris Snee, barring a complete medical turnaround, could be behind him. The Giants could bring back Kevin Boothe, who has proved his worth over time, so we’re possibly looking at only one add here. That add needs to be a big one, however.

Eric Herman, a 2013 seventh-round draft pick who the team was high on, could factor into the equation at guard as could Jim Cordle at center. But clearly, if better players are available, the Giants will focus on upgrading.


How does the hiring of Ben McAdoo help the Giants on the offensive line?

Fennelly: I said all year the Giants’ primary issue was the length of time it took to get a play into Eli Manning’s headset. The process slowed the offense down to the point where defenses dug in and teed off on them. They fooled no one.

Sure, talent and depth played a huge role, too, but the slow pace is what really killed them. By taking so much time to get the play into the huddle, Eli had less time to read defenses and audible and players were more apt to miss assignments by not having enough time between the call and the snap.

Eli works better in an up-tempo offense. McAdoo will make sure the offense moves at a quicker pace and the line identifies their assignments more quickly. I think the new strategy will make everyone better.

With the Giants in need of offensive lineman, do you see them making a play for Jonathan Martin?

Fennelly: No, for several reasons. First off, they don’t need to add to their misery by bringing in a player with the type of baggage Martin is carrying. Bringing him into the nexus of pro football media would be the last thing he, or the Giants, need at this point in time. Second, Martin is not good enough a player for the Giants to take such a gamble on. They would have to trade for Martin and it’s unclear what the Dolphins would want in return.

12 comments
Daniel Gaffney
Daniel Gaffney

If Robinson or Mathews fall to 8, move up and trade with the Vikings. FA Brandon Albert is also a possibility. Bass WILL be hurt again. Cut him after 6/1. Draft a center in rd 3 or 4.

drewc
drewc

I think another reason the OL situation is so dire is the Giants are also thin at the positions that support the line in RB,FB, and TE. Getting solid players at all those positions is going to be real tricky.

jaymanjay
jaymanjay

John,

What do you think about Zack Martin OT/G out of ND?

I think the tackle position this year is pretty deep and there will be a big time tackle at 12 for them. Out of all the talks projected high Martin just feels like a giants select if they went offensive line. My reasoning is that he is very polished, and can play multiple positions on the line meaning he can take over for booth or snee or play either tackle position. Giants loved Pughs versatility and Martin has that only Martin might just be better.

Also, what's the chance the giants go WR? The position has about four big time WR's and one will be there at 12. You have Watkins, Evans, Benjamin and Lee. Watkins will be gone but of the remaining three who would you select? I like Evans.

NO WAY you go for Martin.  He isnt good, and he would bring unwanted attention on the team. 


Micheal....Why would you move Beatty to RT and leave a HUGE hole at LT which is the most important line spot and have Pugh leave a spot he was fantastic at and have them both learning new postitions?   Keep Pugh and Betty for this year, if Beatty stinks it up again then move Pugh to LT.  I think and HOPE Beatty bouces back.  Baas is most likley coming back, he is an average play when healthy, and will just be to much wasted money if he is cut.  I could see Mosley and Snee (if he takes a pay cut) battling for the RG spot. They used a 4th round pick on Mosley and he is cheap and should be ready.  That would leave the LG spot open.  Spend some money on a long term answer so then you can draft a couple guys to then take over for Snee/Baas/Mosley over the next couple years.

Matthew Cohen
Matthew Cohen

Martin just wasn't any good.  The more this story unfolds the more it's clear that his professional failures impacted his mental state.  He's might be worth a low round pick as a flier.

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

John,

Enjoyed your article and you are dead on with your assessments. I would like to add that I believe the Giants will move Beatty from LT to RT and move Pugh from RT to either guard position. In regards to Baas and Snee, I still believe either one of them or possibly both contracts could be voided. I know Snee is Tom Coughlins son in law, but to pay Snee as one of the top 3 guards in the league after coming off hip surgery is a gamble. Baas could be retained as you mentioned, but there is still a slim possibility he's not. I also can see the Giants using the FA market to acquire a solid OL (OT or OG). I also see the Giants drafting possibly 2 OL this year between the rounds 3-6. If they are awarding compensatory pick (s) then it would make more sense with the additional picks. As for Jonathan Martin, I personally would not entertain bringing him on the team.

georgie
georgie

Without a good offensive line we are doomed to another 7-9 or 8-8 season and management knows it so in that retrospect the Giants are a below .500 team especially with Eli regressing. No special coordinator is going to change Eli's bad habits since he knows that an OL is going to help with what they have and no cap space in place.

spider43
spider43

@drewc  ...  I think FB isn't that much of a problem. Between John Connor and/or a healthy Henry Hynoski, their FB situation is just fine. What needs to be addressed is OL, RB, and TE, as far as the offense is concerned.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

 The thought to move Beatty to RT is because many would say there already is a hole at LT with the way he played there last season. And you wouldn't move him for Pugh. You'd only move him if you acquired a guy, most likely with their 1st Rd Pk as opposed to FA due to cap concerns, who could handle the position. When the Giants drafted Pugh the thought always was that his added value was that he was versatile enough to play anywhere on the OL with many thinking G would be the position he was most suitable for in the long term. And a move from LT to RT for Beatty wouldn't really be learning a completely different position it's mostly the same just of lesser importance. And I don't feel like checking to make 100% sure but I'd be shocked if Beatty hadn't played RT before.