Injuries may force JPP to reinvent himself

JPP

Giants’ DE Jason Pierre-Paul’s return from back surgery (a microdisectomy to be exact) on time this summer had everyone thinking that JPP is back and all is well in Giantland. But appearances can be deceiving.

Don’t get us wrong. JPP is still No. 90 on the New York Giants. He still has the swagger and attitude he had in 2011, when he recorded 16.5 sacks and was named to the NFL All-Pro team. He is still his old ebullient self.

However, he is not the same player between the lines anymore and the fear and/or reality is, he may never regain his Pro Bowl form.

JPP has been going out there every week and giving it his all. The results have not been very favorable. He gets blocked out of plays. He doesn’t get to ball carriers and QBs the way he used to. He’s underproductive and it has become frustrating, although he won’t admit it. Soon, he may have to come to grips with reality.


JPP has 27 total tackles this year and only 2 sacks. He does have a game-changing pick six INT that earned him an NFC DPOW three weeks ago.

Several weeks back, it looked like he was showing signs of breaking out, but he injured his shoulder to the extent where he missed the first game of his career last week.

“I was hot, yeah, I was hot but I hurt my shoulder. This season has been up and down for me. I’m not frustrated at it,” JPP told reporters today. “At the end of the day I just have to get better and get healthy and come out and know what I can do best and that’s play football. For me not playing, it’s very frustrating but at the end of the day I’d rather get healthy than put myself in jeopardy out there if I’m out there and can’t perform at the level that I know I can perform. This season has been up and down for me but I can’t complain about that. The only think I can do now is just to get healthy and finish the season off.”

That would be good for him and the Giants. JPP needs to get more football experience under his belt. His body is no longer going to allow him to do the things that once made him special. He will have to find another way.

JPP has not stopped the rhetoric, though. Before the Dallas game, he declared it would be a “blood war”, then went out and recorded one tackle in the team’s most critical game of the season.

That hasn’t stop him from further predictions.

“When I come back next year, I don’t think there’s going to be a tackle in the league who can stop me,” Pierre-Paul said after today’s practice as per ESPN’s Dan Graziano.

That would be a 180 degree change from this season, when just about every tackle he’s faced has stopped him….

Here’s what our own Craig Santucci, who under went a Microdiscectomy a few years back, had to say about treatment, recovery and life after the procedure…..

I know about this injury all too well. While I was fortunate to play college football I could never be compared to a professional athlete, yet…I had a very similar injury as the New York Giants, Pierre Paul. It’s an injury that changed my life dramatically.

Any injury to a professional athlete is a major concern and can disrupt a player’s career. A herniated disc is not a routine injury. As NFL players get bigger, stronger and faster some injuries, like ACL tears have become more common and less devastating. Diagnosis, surgery and rehab are much more concise and successful in todays sports medicine.

24-year old Pierre Paul was diagnosed with a disc injury, something he has dealt with for years. That means the discs in his back are already degenerative or compressed. Vertebral discs are the spinal column shock absorbers. The disc cushions the vertebral bones and allows the spine to twist and bend. JPP has shown his athleticism and flexibility on ESPN’s Sports Science which now makes me cringe because I am confident these type of actions lead to more irritation to the nerves that run along the spine.

The discs in your spine are made of two parts. A soft nucleus and a tough fibrous outer wall. The vertebral discs wear with age or can be damaged from traumatic injury or lifting something heavy. The disc wall weakens around the sensitive nerve fibers and if the soft nucleus pushes out it can press against the nerve root.

The pain is excruciating. The New York Giants will miss him greatly as he was one of the only shinning stars on the defensive unit.

Depending on where the disc is herniated(Cervical, Thoracic, Lunbar and Sacral) pain can radiate from the hip to the hamstring, down the leg to the foot or down one’s arm to the fingers tip. Nerve pain is unlike any other kind of pain and treatment comes at a cost. Rest and epidural shots, (which are no walk in the park) are only a temporary “anti inflammatory” solution.

The good news: At a time in the recent past back surgery meant you were shut down for a long time due to the “flaying” of your back. Rehab was crucial and nothing was guaranteed, especially for a professional athlete.

Today’s medicine allows patients to have spine and disc surgery through a small incision in the back and the procedure (Micro Discectomy) can be completed through a series of tubes allowing no cutting of the muscle. Instruments are used to remove degenerative or herniated portions of the disc nucleus. Depending on the size of the herniation will depend on how much disc will be removed.

The goal is to reduce pressure inside the disc, allow the nerve to breathe and to keep the spine stable.

The Bad News:

What most people don’t understand is once the inner disc pushes through the hard outer shell it never goes back in. After surgery, the pain is relieved because the nerve is no longer being pinched or pushed around; however, your other discs now must take the brunt of the load, causing a terrible amount of stress and pressure on the remaining healthy discs. So one might ask, how does a 275 pound defensive end crash into an offensive tackle, using his lower body for leverage and strength and not crumble due to having his disc compromised.

That type of trauma can eventually cause the remaining disc to squirt out or the rupture other discs.

In 2011, Fox News published a reported from Northwestern University about the likelihood of NFL lineman returning to the field after a spine procedure. Of the 66 players included in the study, 14 were treated non-surgically and 52 treated with surgery. Of those treated surgically, 42 (81 percent) returned to play in at least one game, although most played an average of 33 games over 3 years.

For me…running, biking and working out are a chore after having 85% of my disc(L5 S1) removed after years of running into guys bigger than me. Post Micro Discectomy becomes all about core strength…but it’s hard to accomplish anything when bone is hitting bone. Fusion may have worked for Peyton Manning after 3 neck surgeries; however, it’s not option for Jason Pierre Paul.

And in a smaller world where getting paid to play is not at stake, by choice…fusion is still no option for me either.




88 comments
NYKnickerBocker
NYKnickerBocker

Maybe we should sign Pookie from New Jack City to play the point.

NYKnickerBocker
NYKnickerBocker

I can picture it. Lamar Odom walks into a barbershop exclaiming "yo yo got those MSG water bottles, cheap!"

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

we could be tied with Atlanta after tonight and those losses to Cleveland and Milwaukee will haunt this organization for the rest of the summer

madskills
madskills

Instead of bobble heads they'll be giving out crack pipes on "Odom night".

Mr.Boots
Mr.Boots

As I posted yesterday, for the 15th spot, Odom at his worst on the court is a quantum leap ahead of Chris Smith in the 15th spot. And should Odom fail a tinkle test, you can bet your life that Chris Smith will still be available.

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

I see that phil is still playing chess while some on this board are playing checkers.

Phil kniws Odom is done, but this is not about that. Its about a getting a vet, a champion, and triangle knowledge, without being hampered by the rules.

PhilNYCJacksonERA9
PhilNYCJacksonERA9

Mike Woodson on his future: "Is it fair to let me go? I don't think so."

"If they bring me back I'll make damn sure this doesn't happen again."

LOL

lobcity1
lobcity1

Anyone questioning Phil Jax moves should get spanked.

Seth Plaut
Seth Plaut

The end of the Woodson era is nigh! 

lobcity1
lobcity1

I like this bc it's tells us that Phil plans on bringing the Triangle offense to NY. Can't be mad at that.

mel brown
mel brown

I hope one of the writers post a keep him or dump him survey....it would be interesting.

lobcity1
lobcity1

One of Phil moves to bring in players that knows the triangle. Won't be surprised if Attest is back.

In Phil I trust

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

Interesting signing. If Odom can get his act together, he could be a nice player off the bench for 15-20 mins a game. He has a good Basketball IQ.  


I really wouldn't be surprised if Phil decides to coach. Or, he's really comfortable the coach he is about to hire, can run the Triangle. I would love to see Phil coach the next 2 years. Implement the triangle and mold the next coach.

rico
rico

I guess they didn't sign him on Wednesday.  NEXT TOPIC PLEASE!

dagawd
dagawd

Can odom be that player that comes back home and does better than mabury and artest

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

Odom's last season was back with the Clippers in 2012-13. He played all 82 games, basically in 20 minutes got 4 points, 6 boards, and 2 assists. At the very least, he didn't miss a game with an injury.

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

I think the Odom signing is perfectly fine.  If Odom steps out of line, he can be dropped instantly and his money is not guaranteed. 

On the positive side of this risk, Odom knows the triangle, can play many positions and is a very unselfish player with good height.  

Phil has to know that next year he is very strapped for as what he can do in getting better players.    

If Melo goes, it would be nice to have someone like Odom who can help make others better with his unselfish play.  

The big changes should occur in 2015+.  

I would even entertain bringing back MWP for the minimum or a Odom agreement.  We need toughness and smartness! 


hosket
hosket

Odom by being on the team can fill cap space on a multi player trade of whom I hope Chandler is at least one.....

knickster
knickster

Signing Odom is not a very good move...the guy has nothing to contribute. Apparently the Knicks hasn't learned that 90% of the time, these desperation moves do not pay off. Baron Davis, Kenyon Martin, Ron Artest, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby, T-Mac, Cuttino Mobley, Carter, Rasheed Wallace, etc., etc. - all failures.


Not to mention that a gathering of players with drug problems is not a very good idea...but JR Smith will surely disagree....lol


No a great Phil Jackson moment. to say the least....

ReneNYK1
ReneNYK1

Does not hurt anything to give the guys a chance to recoup his lifre and Phil knows him and he knows the system,I like Phil already to give a guy a chance to get his life together is awesome and a great moral act by Phil.Everyone deserve a second chance.

brookdon
brookdon

I know people hated the CAA stuff, but Phil seems to be headed towards the pathway of bringing in "his guys" as well. Lamar is done.

Hopefully our next coach, whether it's Kerr or whoever, can allow this team to play how they are playing now for the majority of the year.

brookdon
brookdon

Off topic, but Chris Johnson to the jets!

mel brown
mel brown

"Of course, I’m signed up to be part of this program," he said, adding, "I think the future can definitely be bright. I think we have some positive pieces. We just have to understand how to put them together."

-Tyson Chandler


Tyson has been calling out Woodson all season.  

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@orlando_knickfan  There are a lot of things that will haunt this organization but I'm looking forward to our ultimate redemption. 

lobcity1
lobcity1

Lmaoooo... Too funny forreal.

rgm891
rgm891

LMAOOO I have nothing to say

Chris
Chris

@dagawd  Aetest never got a chance, DAW killed him with pine

knickster
knickster

@thatsagoodpoint We go through the same cycle of delusion every year: a lot of fans go to irrational extremes trying to justify the acquisition of fringe/washed up talent. All of a sudden, the numerous failures in the recent past don't matter. Odom will surely succeed where Camby, Thomas, Davis, Wallace, Mobley, Artest, Udrih, Carter, T-Mac, Francis, Martin, etc., etc., failed.

Chris
Chris

@OLDKNICK  It is a free signing, we have an open spot this year so he is a free space not involved in what we can do next year. Its like getting a leftover cheap, and no risk, doesn`t work, no loss? Why not, Phil is a smarter version of Pat

xmenreturn
xmenreturn

@OLDKNICK Odom is not a superstar but he is a smart unselfish player that can play many positions. We are getting him dirt cheap so what's the risk?

Knicks_Fanatic
Knicks_Fanatic

@OLDKNICK  

We don't really have many options for next season to sign free agents, so it's taking a flyer on a former 6th man of the year who knows the triangle.

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@brookdon  Phil may be all zen for his sh!t, but the dude's as stubborn as they come. He'll either triumph or fall  by his ideals.

Everything points in the direction of Phil building a house entirely comprised by his people.

Whether they're the best candidates for each role....only time will tell. 

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@mel brown  All talk. No substance.

It doesn't matter whether you believe in your coach or not...you give 100% every night.

Chandler didn't do this.


No excuses.

NoVaCaInE
NoVaCaInE

@sir_manolo @NoVaCaInE  I hear you. I would much rather him implement the system next year. Get Melo, Shump, Timmy and JR familiar with it. If Melo resigns, Those will be the 4 on the books along with our draft pick in 2015. Get those guys comfortable.


I'm really worried Melo will leave. Only way I see Melo staying is if Phil pulls off some great roster moves this summer or Phil becomes the next coach. Phil should coach and hire Kerr as his assistant coach. Groom him for 2 years, then pass the head coaching job over to him.  

BiggieTKB
BiggieTKB

As if Phil has never been involved in roster construction

knickster
knickster

@akamarb In fact, Odom became a drug addict UNDER PHIL'S WATCH!!!! lol

mel brown
mel brown

@akamarb agree 100%  our 3-13 start was the season.  6 more wins and we coast into the playoffs at the 4th seed at worst.

ReneNYK1
ReneNYK1

@akamarb @ReneNYK1 @brookdon  You forgot Rasad Jennings who was real good last year and it's funny you mentioned our backups and injured player for comparisson,I'll bet Jennings out plays Chris Johnson who is totally done.