Giants History Lesson: Going West has yielded mixed results

This week, the Giants will be playing in San Diego, a place they haven’t been since 2005. Some may call him quirky, but Tom Coughlin is keeping the team in New York time to adjustm to the time difference.

From Tod Leonard of the San Diego Union-Tribune:

As they have done since Coughlin became the head coach in 2004, the Giants will arrive on Saturday, the day before their 1:25 p.m. meeting against the Chargers at Qualcomm Stadium. They’ll get off the plane, get to the hotel, have some meetings and be in bed early. It’s their first West Coast trip this season and only the third in four years.

“We have always done it that way, and we believe in it,” Coughlin said Wednesday on a conference call with San Diego reporters. “We all have a way in which we go about our business when we come on the road. It’s worked in the past, and we’ll continue to follow that.”

Big Blue has been traveling out to the west coast since 1947, but going westward hasn’t been very fruitful during the regular season for the Giants:

Against teams in the Pacific time zone during the regular season, the Giants are 17- 27.

The Giants are 2-2 vs. the San Diego Chargers, 2-4 vs. the Oakland Raiders, 7-7 vs. the San Francisco 49ers, 3-4 vs. the Seattle Seahawks and 3-10 vs. the Los Angeles Rams (now the St. Louis Rams).

In the post season, the Blue has had some success out west – four wins, three losses….

1981 Divisional Playoffs – lost, 38-24, in San Francisco
1984 WildCard Playoffs – defeated LA Rams, 16-13 in Anaheim
1987 Super Bowl XXI – defeated Denver, 39-20, at the Rose Bowl, Pasadena
1990 NFC Championship Game – defeated San Francisco, 15-13
1993 Divisional Playoffs – lost, 44-3, in San Francisco
2002 Wildcard Playoffs – lost, 39-38, in San Francisco
2011 NFC Championship – defeated San Francisco, 20-17

227 comments
Shaun MacMillan
Shaun MacMillan

Knicks need to get rid of Amari's contract period. It's a big problem paying him 20+ million for zero production. If Melo accepts his extension and Amari can come back somewhat productive they can be a playoff team next year and win big 2015 free agency using the hard cap as an advantage.. Let's not forget they have a lottery pick this year in a deep draft class, they have options. Melo should stay in NY.. My wildcard destination for Melo is Houston. Hard to deny the chance to win right away. But way less significant for Melo leaving NY as a failure maybe in his own mind for his favorite team.

Michael Joseph
Michael Joseph

If he wants to win maybe he should play some defense and make it happen. Winners don't complain about the rest of their roster. Losers do.

Ray Jorge
Ray Jorge

HEY DOLAN: HOW COME PROKY IS WILLING TO GO INTO CAP HELL FOR THE BROOKLYN JERSEY NETS & NOT YOU??? FVCK THESE BILLIONAIRES! MELO SHOULD GET EVERY DIME & THE HELP HE NEEDS!!!

Glen Shaw
Glen Shaw

The Knicks can lose without paying a guy $30M per year. Melo gets his points early and then can't make the shot at crunch time. He is a ballhog/ chucker. No body from playground ball on up through college wants to play with a ball hog. The other players run around trying to get open and then with guys open or not...Melo chucks up a shot. There is no excuse for poor defense. Good defense is predicated on effort. No effort, no defense. I say, let Melo walk. The only mistake was not trading him at the deadline to get something/anything back for him. Denver did the right thing suckering him to the Knicks. Too bad the Knicks couldn't find another sucker.

mike23
mike23

Melo if it is about winning and not the money, how about signing for less so the knicks can go get some more talent to add to the roster and help the team get better. 

rico
rico

so he was ok with losing the last 3 seasons? 

dagawd
dagawd

I'm fine with MelO wanting to go to H-town or Clipper Land


The knicks can get back good value from either team for tkb's favorite MelO

dagawd
dagawd

All sign so far pointing to MelO heading to the bulls and rocking number 32 in honor of jordan


The media isn't always rite but sometimes they are but H-town is the best place and Clipper land if MelO really wants to win but if the bulls amnesty Loozer they might be able to Sign him outright Leaving the knicks with nothing in return for MarshMelO

danewyorkr
danewyorkr

all this talk about trading Chandler but for what? Who will take him for 15m? we only can get more bad contracts for him. Phil is not stupid because Chandler and his expiring contract is more valuable than any team's garbage they want to dump on us. Kendrick Perkins is not better than Chandler so stop mentioning that bum. 

Jesus Blas
Jesus Blas

Howard Beck's Projected 2014-2015 Knicks Opening Day Lineup 


PG - Tyler Ennis (Trade Chandler and Felton to 76ers for their second 1st round pick - they own two picks and players to match contracts....Beck doesn't say WHICH players.)

SG - Shumpert

SF - Parsons (Melo, JR to Rockets for Asik (expiring), Parsons, Lin(expiring) and a future 1st)

PF - Stat

C - Asik


Bench


Lin, THJR, Bargnani, doesn't name the rest


So recap:


Melo gets traded.

Knicks get 2014 1st round pick

A future 1st

Expring contracts of Lin and Asik.

Parsons still in rookie deal.



In 2015 only Shumpert & THJR will be on the books.


You can then trade or keep Lin and Asik. 


I say resign Asik.


Here is the link to Howard Beck's new look Knicks (with video)  - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2032620-what-the-2014-2015-new-york-knicks-could-look-like


Pic of Howard Beck's Projected 2014-2015 Knicks - http://i59.tinypic.com/2m7dpvp.jpg


Gregory Winer
Gregory Winer

I think he'll stay. But curious as to what Phil puts together.

Jason Lecomples
Jason Lecomples

...all you talking he's going to your team, take em...and watch how you lose...it takes five on the floor and when the other four are running on all cylinders Carmelo is a non factor..he has to be standing around dribbling the ball to score...

akamarb
akamarb

everyone is clamoring for gasol...kris humphries would be more of a difference maker for us...since we are signing kardashian rejects

sir_manolo
sir_manolo

If I were Phil, I would try and sign Pau Gasol and Greivis Vasquez and try and have them split the mini-mle and try and sign Ramon Sessions for the Vets Min... then try and trade Tyson Chandler and Raymond Felton  for Asik or Reggie Jackson and Kendrick Perkins. I think that would convince Melo to re-sign...

Then have a starting lineup of:

Vasquez (or Reggie Jackson)

JR

Melo

Amare (or Gasol)

Pau Gasol (or Asik)

with a bench of:

THJ

Shump

Asik (or Perkins)

Sessions

Aldrich or Tyler

Odom

and hopefully add another 3pt specialist!!!! (for vets min)

= PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!

melo7
melo7

melo and stat both opt out and  melo signs for around 18 19 mil and stat signs for 9 and we trade chandler and sign lebron lets good

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

To all the crackpots out here who think Melo is leaving...


HE'S NOT! GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEADS RIGHT NOW!


This has been MY SCOOP since 2005. Nothing I've said has been wrong about Melo and his Knick intentions. He isn't going anywhere. Melo will be in a Knick uniform for the next 5 YEARS.


#AcceptIt

tjhassan3
tjhassan3

Isn't Pau available? Grab him and trade Chandler and whoever else for a legit pg or pf that is capable of playing in the triangle. 

Or if we could somehow manage to grab a 1st round pick via trade in this year's draft, i'd say a guy like Nik Stauskas would be perfect at running phil's offense. 

Michael Brandes
Michael Brandes

And why Dallas? He is not winning with an aging dirk. Houston has two max players in Harden and Howard and steep tax now coming into effect if three big deals are there. If it's money he stays. If Phil's zen works on him he stays. If he wants to win he is in Bulls red.

Michael Brandes
Michael Brandes

How Miami? They have NO money. If lebron doesn't opt out, neither is Bosh and Wade certainly isn't getting money like he is now if he opts out. And they would have to pay a steep luxury tax. It's either chi-town or here

orlando_knickfan
orlando_knickfan

2014 starting five that can do damage in the triangle


Tyson

StAT

Melo

Jr

Shump

YOU DONT NEED A FACILITATOR at the point in the. Triangle, you just need to defend it. Actually, avery bradley would be ideal, but we can't get aguy like that

solar_lion
solar_lion

@Jesus Blas The problem is Chandler wants no part of another losing season. As a free agent on the final year of his contract his consent is required to ok a trade. Can't see him ok'ing a trade to the 76ers. I also don't see a fully rebuilding 76ers team taking on Chandler for a one year rental to off a middling draft pick on a cheap longer term rookie contract. 76ers would have to resign Chandler to keep him or get his ok to flip him again. Why would they go such a convoluted route. 


The Melo trade to Houston seems more feasible. But if Melo wants to stay yet avoid another losing season, that is feasible with a different approach to basketball under a new coach who will install system BBall whether its the triangle or otherwise. Sorry, once again it's all just conjecture. But since Howard Beck's name is on the aforementioned conjecture, it's circled around as absolute truth. Nope sorry, I don't buy it.

zebeto
zebeto

@Jesus Blas take out STAT insert ,,maybe Lebron in 2015 ...and it looking good !

rgm891
rgm891

Look at the bright side it can't get worse with a player such as odom. At least the kardasians are long gone. That's the biggest positive of them all.

akamarb
akamarb

why would okc trade jackson and perkins for an old pg and average center 

rgm891
rgm891

17 is the most PJ should offer Melo. Stat should sign for 5 million at most give us a hometown discount. He needs to focus purely on defense and ball movement. I hate stats game he needs to pass the ball more and stop with the tunnel vision. Melo needs some Iq help and stop with chucking up dumb shots and get others involved.

smiggybalz
smiggybalz

uhh I think ill wait until he signs the contract.No offense but,there is only 2 options and youre just guessing.You still have a 50% chancke of being right

akamarb
akamarb

reggie bush still doing good....he was sick in fantasy last year for me

smiggybalz
smiggybalz

@akamarb....maybe theyre as stupid as you and they think Felton is great,and a "PITBULL" hahahahah

sir_manolo
sir_manolo

@akamarb because they won't be able to afford Reggie Jackson when he becomes a free agent and Chandler is a huge upgrade over Kendrick Perkins at this time in their careers... Chandler would be a top 3 center in the West!!!

or as me and Sandro actually agreed, we may have to include Shump to spice up the deal in return we get a 1st round pick...

VerySilentJay
VerySilentJay

@rgm891  Amare does not deserve the full MLE at this stage in his career.

There's a reason why after his contract's up he'll go to Israel...There's money over there.

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@smiggybalz  Uhh actually I'm not guessing. When you know Lala's cousin, you know the scoops. This one is a 100% guarantee. Melo is going NOWHERE. 


And mark down the other scoop I already have. Kyrie will be a Knick within the next 2 seasons. He isn't re-signing in Cleveland.

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@Jesus Blas @dagawd @knicksgirl35  He won a chip with Boeheim jesus and you know it. 

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@Jesus Blas @knicksgirl35  I blame Woody for it all. He didn't put Melo nor the team in the position to succeed. He coached ignorant, desperate, lazy bball. I'm glad Baldy the pot head is outta here.

Jesus Blas
Jesus Blas

@knicksgirl35 I feel for you. Do you know that Melo averaged 40.1 PASSES a game...ranked 80th in the NBA...there are centers and bench players that average more passes. 

knicksgirl35
knicksgirl35

@Jesus Blas  You're just angry because you went through all of that analysis for nothing. Corny is better than stupid azz.